I think once you have stripped out all the stuff about lower CO2 emissions it all goes back to the original (and sensible) view. If you do short journeys around town any diesel is a nightmare and you shouldn't have one. If you do a high mileage on long runs the diesel is still economical and the various measures to cut pollution are at their most efficient. You probably won't be too concerned about trade-in values because of the high mileage. The only real change will be diesel taxis (and buses and HGVs)but in London the taxis are all going to be zero-emission soon anyway. I'm not sure where that leaves Uber drivers. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

It,s all a load of Crxp...

They have seen how much money the Govt has been loosing in tax revenue
In Road fund licence to "Non polluting electric/ hybrid/ no tax/ £20 a year jobbies"
So to make up the shortfall they TAX everybody else to make up for it .

Or am I being too CYNICAL ....🤓🤓🤓 Wales
Were the mud is thicker, and the ruts are deeper.
(And we have the water to wash it off, and more on the way..! )
Sd4 and chrome Ar*e piece, Auto box for best fun
09 Xs Gone
12 xs Gone
HSE with Leather seats and 4 years warrenty.. staying for now !

The real question is, what is the environmental cost of producing a new car, the major pollution hit, and running it, compared with the pollution that is going to be attributed to running your current car, not including the pollution from production as that has already happened? We are talking about future pollution, there's not a lot we can do about the past now, its already happened!

hi all, I dont understand why they cant just add extra to the cost of diesel, I appreciate that no one want to pay extra but why should a low mileage driver pay the same road tax as a high mileage driver.

If the VED is based on emissions then surely if you do more miles you should pay more.

but then you get people who do fairly high milages because of were they live, as opposed to road warriors who will drive 150miles to sell £30 worth of widgets as long as it means beating sales target for the month.

Or people who waste energy towing accommodation to places that have vacant vastly superior beds waiting for then

VED on caravans  At work
At home

"I can't always believe facts I read on the web" - Charles Dickens

winner by default of the tractor vs caravan race

Chicken George... dud your idea of turning your spare field(s) into a caravan site progress an further yet?

weekender wrote:

hi all, I dont understand why they cant just add extra to the cost of diesel, I appreciate that no one want to pay extra but why should a low mileage driver pay the same road tax as a high mileage driver.

If the VED is based on emissions then surely if you do more miles you should pay more.

Well, since 81% (figure that I've seen posted somewhere) of the price of either fuel (diesel & petrol) is tax, high mileage drivers already pay more. Please don't encourage the Bureaucrats to put even more tax on.  MY13 Santorini Black SD4 HSE

weekender wrote:

They might as well put VED or whatever they call it now on to fuel. Since they got rid of the tax disk they've lost a load of revenue from that source and it is a way of making sure that everyone pays. The only thing that traditional annual VED, Road Fund, or Road tax has going for it is that it is the only time that all the documents have to be available at the same time unless you come to the attention of that rare beast, a copper.

Interesting developments from the manufacturers

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk...s-41114738 LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey

Problem is you can already get massive discounts off list on those cars. Be it a discount on a purchase, or the manufacturers contribution to a lease or PCP. The deals also have an age profile attached so the real cost to the manufacturer/ dealer will only be the couple of hundred quid they lose send some old clunker to the auctions . Just like any motor transaction the only thing that matters to the buyer is the cost to change from current to new, and I'll bet all they are offering is what was there already if you were competent to negotiate it . 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

Agreed Martyn and sad thing some will chip in a older car that will soon be(or is) collectable, the accepting dealer under these terms will just crush it FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

I suspect that one reason for the VED is to keep a few more people in Swansea employed. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE