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Navigator Member Since: 29 Dec 2010 Location: Within reach of the coffee machine Posts: 492 |
It is quite frightening to read posts on caravan forums that show there are people who are unaware of the existence of axle loads, maximum vehicle weights, maximum trailer weights and licence restrictions. Absolutely terrifying, however, is that there are some people who know these things exist but decide not to comply. Everyone can spread it - Anyone can catch it. Stay home - the life you save can be your own! |
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30th May 2017 9:57 pm |
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axle Member Since: 11 Sep 2016 Location: South Yorkshire. Posts: 1053 |
No they don't, modern vans have them built in to the tow hitch, you used to be able to see the old type stabilizers but not the new type but they are there, like anything else only any good if used properly, they wont stop a badly loaded/driven caravan from snaking they are only assisters. I've had a brake system fitted to mine so if the van sways the brakes come on and straighten the outfit safely, best £550.00 I've spent. Common sense isn't very common. _______________________________ 2007 Land Rover Freelander2 I6 hse Auto |
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3rd Jun 2017 3:09 pm |
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Jack frost Member Since: 21 Dec 2011 Location: UK Posts: 796 |
A sane person would not pay £25k for a box on wheels & who enjoyes emptying his own |
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3rd Jun 2017 4:32 pm |
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axle Member Since: 11 Sep 2016 Location: South Yorkshire. Posts: 1053 |
"A sane person would not pay £25k for a box on wheels & who enjoyes emptying his own "
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4th Jun 2017 11:40 am |
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TonyJ Member Since: 28 Mar 2008 Location: Southampton Posts: 105 |
The normal cause of instability in caravans is poor loading. The centre of gravity of the total load has to be in front of the axle otherwise you get a larger sway moment than the resisting moment, which can cause the caravan to start snaking. However, at the same time the centre of gravity should not so far forward as to put too much load on the back of the car thus making the car unstable. The ideal ratio has been shown to be a hitch weight of 7% of the gross caravan weight. However, other factors need to be considered. There is a maximum load for the hitch, normally 100kg although I understand Alco now do a 150kg hitch for their larger chassis, Then there is the maximum nose weight that the tow bar will take which is specified by the car maker and tow bar manufacturer. This is normally between 50kg and 100kg, on the Freelander it is 150kg. Therefore the 7% rule has been adjusted to between 5% and 7% to cater for these differences. Thus the maximum gross weight at 7% to give 100kg nose weight is 1428kg and 5% to give 100kg nose weight 2000kg. 75 kg nose weight would be 1071kg and 1500kg and 50kg nose weight 714kg and 1000 kg total weight of caravan and contents.
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8th Jun 2017 8:31 pm |
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wjohnm Member Since: 10 May 2014 Location: Glos Posts: 84 |
Much of the above advice is good but even if we have cvan below 85% limit, friction stabiliser fitted to clean towball and noseweight correct there can be problems.
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11th Jun 2017 3:55 pm |
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TonyJ Member Since: 28 Mar 2008 Location: Southampton Posts: 105 |
What you said dwjohnm about slowing is exactly the correct action if the van does start swaying. Keep steering straight and gently slow down. Where people go wrong is trying to correct it on the steering which makes the situation worse. Remember there are never problems, just new challenges |
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12th Jun 2017 9:42 am |
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axle Member Since: 11 Sep 2016 Location: South Yorkshire. Posts: 1053 |
or braking. Common sense isn't very common.
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12th Jun 2017 9:46 am |
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AMO123456 Member Since: 14 Jun 2014 Location: Wigan Posts: 87 |
As I have stated before in previous replies, I got in to a snake on the M56 as luck has it nobody was around me I managed to control it by turning against the snake until I had slowed and straightened out. Turned out to be stabilizer pads disintegrated.
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12th Jun 2017 12:46 pm |
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wjohnm Member Since: 10 May 2014 Location: Glos Posts: 84 |
Agree NO braking. As for steering it was just instinct, probably as little as possible. Still recommend ATC or similar, should work even with burst tyre,as it brakes van to straighten up. FL2 11 S Black 😂
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13th Jun 2017 8:05 am |
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axle Member Since: 11 Sep 2016 Location: South Yorkshire. Posts: 1053 |
the only thing I've found with the atc is going round tight corners, some times you can feel it come on, wouldn't be without it now.
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13th Jun 2017 4:06 pm |
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Past master Member Since: 30 Jun 2010 Location: Isle of Ely Posts: 2710 |
Going back to the picture, the only time I've seen similar was a Police Discovery with a very large trailer. Blocked the M11 and had a lot of presumably very embarrassed plods surrounding it. As with this one, the back of the Land Rover was suspended from the caravan - don't know how you would start to recover that. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
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13th Jun 2017 4:21 pm |
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axle Member Since: 11 Sep 2016 Location: South Yorkshire. Posts: 1053 |
just drive away in front wheel drive Common sense isn't very common.
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14th Jun 2017 4:59 am |
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