Dan_NL wrote:

In the Netherlands car taxes are off the scale. If you drive a company car you get a percentage of the new price added to you taxable income. This actually is a "steal" . If you would get a RRS which costs around € 100.000 with some kit, these means it effectively costs you 22k added on you income, worsed case : € 800,- net. This is what I pay privately on diesel and roadtax only, for a 2006 D3... But for some years cars like the PHEV Mits costs 4%. So at 65k new this woul come down to €100 net. So hordes of people bought these as a company car. I know two persons like this, who deeply regret changing from there D3 to the PHEV. Now the tax advantage has eased of, and everybody is buying sensible cars again. And the hybrids ? They are all for export now...

I've got a friend in Zwijndrecht who got a company Mitsubishi PHEV for the above reason  2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

The D3/4 are in a totally different league so I can see how they would regret changing to a phev - a friend has a D4 and everytime we go out in it I am green with envy

However I swapped from RRS to DS and regretted it - I don't regret swapping from DS to phev though - it's all about comparing similar

The envy for my friends D4 soon passes when we discuss running costs and I no longer need such a massive vehicle even with it's impressive capabilities - also it's no longer built and I'm in no rush to buy a slightly bigger DS for more money with all it's teething problems........ Read the book, got the t-shirt etc  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

got the t-shirt etc

Was that a wet one ?  FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

 Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Funny enough I've owned first and last versions of my LRs and with hindsight the last versions have usually been the best recently - my last FL1 Freestyle, D2 Metropolis and RRS Black Edition were brilliant - my first RRS and DS were mares

I bought early D2, FL1 and FL2 without problems though so I suspect it's a Tata problem

Anyway I digress - this is about diesels and alternatives  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Just has an email from my son, he is getting a pre reg 2017 Tesla S to beat the new tax hike whatever that is apart from expensive. FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

The Tesla is currently free VED but will be £300 pa after April as it's over £40k - EV range, 4x4 need and price put me off but I do like them

I haven't been able to recharge my phev since Wednesday and currently using petrol but this isn't an option for the Tesla Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

With low annual mileage in retirement I’d like to avoid diesel in future.

LR has just announced their new 2 litre Ingenium Petrol engine with 197+ BHP.

If that engine finds it’s way into a DS perhaps I could get tempted if it also has a full size spare, only 5 seats, and automatic transmission, especially since petrol versions “should” cost around £1,500 less than diesel equivalents?

LR are working on a 3 cylinder diesel MHEV DS but I'm not convinced it's the way forward especially as they're having to design system to counter the vibration with 3 cylinders

Today I've been touring the Cotswolds on mainly country lanes and B roads and achieved 37mpg average - I was worried not recharging would be an issue but that's another concern removed from my list  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

What happens if you stop at a B&B, for example? Can you just plug it in their domestic supply or do you need to take a charging device with you?

Phev comes with 3 pin charger to use anywhere normal socket available

I drove down from Yorkshire Thurs and stayed in hotel Thurs and Fri with nowhere available to recharge - now in holiday cottage and no practical recharge plug here either

5 days since I recharged and using petrol but can't say it's a problem - 37 mpg without electric is more than I expected and better than I've seen on any previous diesel 4x4s Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Also waded a Ford today without getting electrocuted  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Car buyers should have 'long, hard think' about diesel
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39088631

Talk about mixed messages!

Typical indecision on policy and we all end up paying for it!
Lets just hope the 'all diesel bad'' ''petrol good'' thinking does not translate into taxation.

I understand the argument about city cars needing to be cleaner, fair enough short journeys, lots of public transport but the fact is we do not all live in the city and do not have good reliable affordable public transport.It would be so unfair to retrospectively tax us all, devalue our cars and frankly make us feel like demons for following previous policy.

I am still not convinced there is a credible alternative yet for all those white vans, trucks never mind the cars.

One only has to look at the petrol version CO2 emissions of any car to realise the government of any colour is going to prefer the revenue from highest CO2 polluter, just look at the levels on any JLR vehicle as a comparison. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.