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chicken george Member Since: 06 Dec 2007 Location: N. Yorks Posts: 13289 |
you wont live if you get out of your car in Chapeltown Leeds, not from a car smash, more from mugging.
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1st Mar 2015 11:08 am |
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submarine Member Since: 27 Jul 2014 Location: over by Cardiff Posts: 294 |
Looks like it has a negative camber there, or is that just the photo? Poor road engineering if it is a neg camber at the change of gradient...
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1st Mar 2015 11:16 am |
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taztastic Member Since: 03 Feb 2011 Location: North West Posts: 8652 |
It's negative alright, horrible and that was years ago, sounds like they have now fitted a concrete barrier to keep the cars in, I bet that has a few battle scars. There was a similiar horrible bend near the house in Bondi, wasn't designed with cars in mind at all.
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1st Mar 2015 11:26 am |
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Past master Member Since: 30 Jun 2010 Location: Isle of Ely Posts: 2710 |
Cruise control switches off as soon as you get wheelspin - eg when going slightly too fast over my local hump-backed bridge. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
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1st Mar 2015 11:28 am |
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Dartman the one Member Since: 04 Apr 2013 Location: Seville, Spain Posts: 1670 |
Tend to agree, cruise control, the car tends to slow not the wheels, if the wheels over speed by about 10mph cruise kicks out my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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1st Mar 2015 11:33 am |
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Dartman the one Member Since: 04 Apr 2013 Location: Seville, Spain Posts: 1670 |
Interesting that bit of road, came down it in the wet and dark in a mini years ago, didn't know the road and lifted at the bend and the rear kicked out, luckily I was half expecting it. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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1st Mar 2015 11:37 am |
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Offshore1987 Member Since: 11 May 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 496 |
I would say blame the tires, mine are the grabber uhps and down to 4mm and they are shocking in the damp wet rain of late, locked up on a motorway when I had to brake to a stop, wheels slipped around a bend, yesterday wheels lost grip on a round about, all three times with better tires it would of gripped the stupid thing though is that when I had to pull my dads van out of a wet raining muddy field they worked well
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1st Mar 2015 11:58 am |
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taztastic Member Since: 03 Feb 2011 Location: North West Posts: 8652 |
I never knew that, very rarely use it, might have to try it out now, all in the name of science of course, just to make sure it works About the car slowing and not the wheels? trying to get my head round that one, I suppose the wheels under power try to rotate at the same speed or even accelerate with the loss of grip as they are 'floating' across the water surface? I'll keep sticking it in GGS, more because its there and I can, it does dull the cars response and in the event of an 'issue' should respond sooner, the technology is there so it gets used. I always find it worthwhile when I get a new car to explore its limits and power, it gives me an understanding of how the car will respond, the first thing I always do is try an emergency stop, its scary how quickly the car will pull up, I don't mean a half hearted heavy braking, get up to 50 or so and stand on the pedal, it hurts They demonstrated this at Gaydon the other week, 80mph, 7 up in the car, wet road and boy did that thing stop. Lifting mid bend as most will know does not make for a happy car, it also takes bottle to keep your foot in, one thing that amazes me time after time is the number of people that not only lift but brake as well on bends Fortunately, they are rarely going at a speed that will cause too many issues but the number of bashed walls and trees on the inside of bends is testament that many have come a cropper in that manner. It's a pity that courses designed to provide skills for these scenarios are expensive and not readily available. |
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1st Mar 2015 12:05 pm |
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Past master Member Since: 30 Jun 2010 Location: Isle of Ely Posts: 2710 |
Offshore 1987 - tyres that grip well in mud don't necessarily work well on a wet road. Things have improved over the last half century, but you are still asking the tyres to do completely different things and it has to be a compromise. To pull your dad out of a field you ideally need hard tyres with a bar, block or v-pattern tread, but to stop on a wet road you need softer rubber with longitudinal tread and efficient sypes. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
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1st Mar 2015 12:11 pm |
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chicken george Member Since: 06 Dec 2007 Location: N. Yorks Posts: 13289 |
My mud tyres on ford ranger are a liability at times they fill with soil and get no braking grip on tarmac. Normally noticed when braking on downward sloped farm lane exit after off roading before leaving farm. They soon clean after some Road speed driving. But sometimes you get no grip just abs chatter, briefly with alarming At work
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1st Mar 2015 12:57 pm |
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EYorkshire Member Since: 18 Nov 2010 Location: (!) Posts: 4392 |
So has anyone seen or expect the 'DSC' light to come on when driving through a deep puddle (car slowing, not the wheels) or just the one side of the car affected (being pulled in towards the kerb)
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1st Mar 2015 1:03 pm |
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Lightwater Member Since: 21 Aug 2014 Location: Sydney Northern Beaches Posts: 4902 |
Bit of trivia, depending which way you look at it! There is a side road, Upper Spit Rd, to the left of the grey house. A few times when there has been a gap in the traffic, I have seen cars turn right out of Upper Spit Rd, drive over the medium strip scrapping their cars, not 4WDs, to drive down Spit Road! One really wonders what these people are thinking. The drivers are doing this to save time driving around the entire block to head to Manly etc! I bet they are pis-ed off these days with the full concrete medium strip barrier! I still remember when you could turn in or out of this side road. Utter madness! There are still way far too many accident prone intersections along our main roads. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device! Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18 |
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1st Mar 2015 1:18 pm |
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Labradorslave Member Since: 15 Apr 2011 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 474 |
Sorry to get all scientific but surely weight must play a part in how easy/difficult it is to lose control of a car unless Newton got it wrong? The inertia of a moving object is directly proportional to it's weight. In order to bring something to a stop you apply a force (brakes) which convert the energy into heat. In order to have efficient brakes you require the tyres to grip and convert the energy into heat via friction with the road. Increased tyre depth improves the chance of displacing water (and snow) and allowing the car to grip. Soft tyres improve friction with the road hence remove more energy via heat. |
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1st Mar 2015 1:40 pm |
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Dartman the one Member Since: 04 Apr 2013 Location: Seville, Spain Posts: 1670 |
The ABS should not allow the wheels to lock when braking no matter what state the tyres are in or the road. Having read all about the FL2 before I went for a test drive, one of the things I tried was braking on a bend to see the effect, salesman didn't like it but actually there is very little effect, the car tracks very well. Regarding hitting water and unbalanced wheel speeds, yes the DSC light will flicker but you really have to look for it, your reaction will not be to look at the dash so you will miss it my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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1st Mar 2015 1:50 pm |
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