Being a bit sexist here. The DS was designed for females.... Flat tyre.... call road service! On the other hand, these days I think a lot males are even more useless! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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If you have a puncture and have the space saver wheel fitted, then you fit the space saver wheel.
The full size spare goes back into the cradle and is suspended under the car, the centre bumper section will not fit back on the car so this is placed inside the car behind the seats. The wheel does not need to go in the car.

...therefore do not get a puncture when you have all seats filled and a full boot!

I've had more than my fair share of punctures. With my last car, a Seat, most of the time I shoved the wheel in the car & got it repaired, then put everything back in it's place. Otherwise it is 4 lots of disassembly & assembly, instead of twice. Mind numbing stuff.

I know it is risky having a wheel floating around the car. But the less I move wheels back and forth the less injuries I'll get. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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RichP wrote:

...therefore do not get a puncture when you have all seats filled and a full boot!

I don't think there is a perfect place to have a full size spare. In the freelander if you have a puncture the boot needs emptied , all your stuff lying out in the rain. I used to drive a works Renault kangoo van , spare was underneath and had to be wound down , that was the easy bit . More than once in the pouring rain I had to sit on a blanket that I carried in the van and push the the burst wheel with my feet back on to the cradle then kneel down and hook the cradle onto the winder. Do it now ! Your a long time dead !!

D-Man wrote:

Hmm.....60mm wading depth....hope that's a mistake or it really has moved too far towards being a road car only!!

OK, thx for that clarification taztastic, yet again someone on here is better informed than the salespeople in most LR dealerships. I guess that's simply because we are actually more interested in the details of the vehicles than they are!

My comment about where to store the damaged spare was of course a tad tongue in cheek, as I'm sure we could all work something out if it happened to us. Just a shame that LR and other car manufacturers all seem to have switched to this "no real spare wheel" approach, for what seem to us rather trivial reasons.  Life is not a dress rehearsal!

They do indeed seem trivial reasons, I also cannot understand why the rear panel will not go back on the car, surely at the design stage someone could have seen this and acted accordingly?

Whilst at Gaydon we were shown the 'virtual design cave', a room where the vehicle is projected in 3D, as you move your head so the vehicle viewpoint adapts, it is very very good. We were also shown ho parts can be removed and whether other items obstructed them, effectively you can service and replace items in a virtual world. They must have seen at this stage the spare wheel issue, or more likely is that the lack of one is pandering to emission targets and style over substance.

I am looking forward to the Halewood trip in April, I have been up close to the DS but not as yet tried it, a visit to the dealer in a couple of weeks will present an opportunity to try it.

Whilst a Gaydon there was a number (dozens) of cars heavily camo'd up, they mostly looked like evoques or FFRR models.
It seemed strange at the time that they would have so many of a current model still in disguise, I have since learned from a reliable source that we may well have seen the next defender chassis on test, judging by the strange sizes of the 'evoque esqe' mules then there are certainly quite a few new models being designed and tested. If anyone else is going on a trip there, keep a sharp eye on the mules.

The next couple of years will be very interesting indeed .

I generally agree with Carbuyer reviews and I have been waiting for their take on the DS. Wait over....

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Gone - 2010 Rimini XS

To be honest, after keeping up with this thread while keeping an open mind, that did not tell me much that I didn't know already. Worth watching though
I was able to watch that directly whereas I have to watch other links via YouTube?

Yeah I know RichP. I thought twice about posting it after the review I posted a few days ago, but as there was a glimpse of the spacesaver (blink and miss it) I thought I would whack it on here. No more I promise.
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Gone - 2010 Rimini XS

Where are they all ? haven't seen one yet apart from the one in our local dealers showroom. Not even one out on demo. No advertising either its all Evoque Evoque here - presumably they're still being made & stockpiled for Easter on ?
Not fussed you understand, just a bit curious. (Or are they so like 'the rest' one doesn't notice them ?). FL2 Ex D2, D3, RRS, etc. now all gone.

Seen about four in Worcestershire.

valleyforge wrote:

Where are they all ? haven't seen one yet apart from the one in our local dealers showroom. Not even one out on demo. No advertising either its all Evoque Evoque here - presumably they're still being made & stockpiled for Easter on ?
Not fussed you understand, just a bit curious. (Or are they so like 'the rest' one doesn't notice them ?).