I noticed today that my Facebook feed included the LR announcement that the award winning Ewoke will be next getting the new Ingenium diesel engines, a range that many of us are interested in.

So from Aug 2015 orders for Ewokes will feature two diesel options; eD4 2WD 150PS 109 g/km up to 68mpg, or 4WD 180PS, 125 g/km up to 59mpg, or for petrol-heads 240PS 181 g/km up to 36mpg. So that's a start. (No idea if this is new news to everyone?)

I assume that the older TD4 / SD4 engines will then only be continued on the DS at least until further notice, while punters still buy them, or they eventually run out. In all senses FL2 owners do seem to be at the bottom of LR's current priorities; it's all about image and profit margins I guess!  Life is not a dress rehearsal!

Im getting tempted by he idea of a petrol evoque, diesel advantages are slim now At work
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Land Rover have to move with the times. If FL2 owners don't like it, then it's tough. The vast majority of FL2 owners will migrate to the DS. The whole range isn't out yet as far as DS is concerned, so expect the full range to start from around the £27k mark, with the smaller Discovery starting from around £22k when it is launched.

With regards to the Ingenium engine, Disco Sport should be getting the new engine from Quarter 4 this year, so will fall in line with the rest of the LR range. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

chicken george wrote:

Im getting tempted by he idea of a petrol evoque, diesel advantages are slim now

You refer to "compression Petrol Engine" is that the same as a direct injection petrol engine which is available on things like a Porsche now? (compression ratio 12.5+ to 1)

As I see in the specs Evoque with new Ingenium engines is slower with old PSA engines....
Reliability is big unknown.
I am wonder what price will be for a the same speced car with new engine. Higher or lower?
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Thx for your interesting perspectives and info Mav71. Not sure why you're so sure most FL2 drivers will migrate to DS, unless there will be future models that address the key areas of concern/disappointment.

I certainly intended to buy a DS; now somewhat lost! So from your stated perspective"that's tough"! That said, I'm still hoping LR will come up trumps in the fuller range of models you elude to.

Is the smaller Discovery, just that or a smaller DS. I'm hoping the former as there is just a chance that it will then still have a command driving position then?!  Life is not a dress rehearsal!

From early test drives of the Jag XE, the 2.0D ain't that great. My personal opinion is that there's too much hype over these new engines, let the Evoque get all the teething troubles.

Nick I'm with Mav, once the full range is out I think there will be more Fl2 owners who will make the move to the DS. Granted it ain't for everyone. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

I like the exisiting 2.2 diesel -perfect for me! I don't mind the gruff noise - suits the vehicle. Its not the engine's fault that the low end grunt is a bit lacking for off road- that's down to the gearbox. What would have made the Freely2 spectacular however would have been if they could have dropped the 2.7 L diesel in there, providing of course that they could have upgraded the transmission to cope with the extra torque. I think LR development work on the engine over its' lifetime was wrong-headed -that fiddling about with software to up the hp was I think a mistake. Confused the issue - same torque but more horsepower but worse economy - how sensible was that? More importantly given the many reports of Haldex and diff failures on more recent Freelies after they started mucking about with the software - I got to ask if sufficient attention was paid to the ability of the Haldex etc to cope with the increased power?
What is unacceptable to me about the 2.2 engine was its thirst when matched with the auto transmission - a difference of about 5mpg is far too much.
As for the Ingenium, I think it is very risky for JLR to have gone it alone on an engine - particularly if it is to span Jags and Landies. If that new engine turns out to have serious flaws , which may only appear after a few years then that could bankrupt the company! It would have been wiser I think to have collaborated with other manufacturers and then modified the common powerplant to suit off roading - or higher performance for the Jag platforms. It would be nice to think that JLR have managed to turn out a wonderful new engine - but remember that the wonderful RB 211 aero engine bankrupted Rolls Royce.

I think it was a correct decision to go down the route of a new engine as it can be tailored to the vehicles the company produce, to be the junior partner in a multi company engine can be just as risky, if it is good it can be offered to other manufacturers, thus making JLR a much bigger player. The present offerings from other manufacturers do tend to have lowish torque figures and I can't believe JLR will stupid enough to produce an engine without good torque figures below 2000rpm.
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"No I won't buy a DS but I will buy a mini Disco with a decent tailgate entrance and height, at least 900mm from deck to headlining and a full size spare."

That's two of us then Dartman the one! How many of us will LR need?


My reading of the recent DS poll on here suggests more FL2 owners would be interested in a "baby Disco" with a command driving position than the new DS (Ewok) estate car!!  Life is not a dress rehearsal!

Yes, the petrol is definitely making a come back, Fords fantastic ecoboost is a great example of what can be done now.

The Si4 is nice, love it! Mine is still a bit young to get meaningful figures, still less than 2k, & with the hilly terrain, plus stop start traffic, actually mostly stop! I think 14.9L/100km (19 mpg) is not too bad with the AC on all the time. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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dorsetfreelander wrote:

You refer to "compression Petrol Engine" is that the same as a direct injection petrol engine which is available on things like a Porsche now? (compression ratio 12.5+ to 1)

Nick Jan wrote:

Thx for your interesting perspectives and info Mav71. Not sure why you're so sure most FL2 drivers will migrate to DS, unless there will be future models that address the key areas of concern/disappointment.

I certainly intended to buy a DS; now somewhat lost! So from your stated perspective"that's tough"! That said, I'm still hoping LR will come up trumps in the fuller range of models you elude to.

Is the smaller Discovery, just that or a smaller DS. I'm hoping the former as there is just a chance that it will then still have a command driving position then?!