I viewed this Freelander and it is in nice condition (minor scratches but nothing major) and has a good service history. It's in need of discs and pads which they are happy to fit if their mechanic agrees. What do you think is a fair price? £15800 seems a little strong for a local dealer-privately HSE's seem to be going for about £11-12500 with slightly higher mileage and Land Rover dealers range from £14000-16800.

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Price does seem on the high side - especially for a manual. I'd carefully check the clutch seeing as it has a tow bar fitted. Do you particularly want a manual box? Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
Evoque SD4 Dynamic Lux Auto
Present: Audi A3 S Line.

Needs discs and pads after 40k too. My last one went back with 80k on it and still had loads of life in the brakes.
You could probably get a facelift model for that sort of money if you shop around and slightly higher miles, mileage these days doesn't mean the same it used to years ago.
As Steve states, sounds expensive.

I had a HSE auto and didn't really get on with it. We live in a rural location with lots of small villages (thirty zones) and hills. I found the auto box to be constantly searching for the right gear at times. My previous FL2 was a manual which in all honesty was a nicer drive. I am definitely in the minority as most people prefer auto's! I am going to get the car inspected-tow bars and manual gearboxes can mean trouble. Many thanks for the feedback on price.

Hiya i just paid £12999 from a dealer for a 2008 HSE manual with 49k miles inc FSH, zenon lights and 12 months warranty (for what its worth. Mine also needed discs and pads which cost me £465 for fully fitted by Green Oval in Leeds using genuine land rover parts.

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Prev 2010 Freel2 GS & 57 Disco3 HSE

I really don't see what Towbars and Manuals have to do with it, I towed with a Manual, sold at 40k no problems, Mav towed with his manual no problems, Pegleg hasn't towed with his and has had the Clutch and DMF replaced twice, could name more by searching on here.

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I really don't see what Towbars and Manuals have to do with it, I towed with a Manual, sold at 40k no problems, Mav towed with his manual no problems, Pegleg hasn't towed with his and has had the Clutch and DMF replaced twice, could name more by searching on here.

You probably had the best 40K miles out of it then. The OP is thinking of buying at 40K. Considering the relatively small number of manuals compared to auto's, I can remember reading of many clutch issues.

Amazing thing, the search button. Guess who said these quotes in the past?

"Wouldn't be concerned so much about the gearbox if it has been towing as it is an Auto"

"Clutches are weak on many vehicles now",

"Clutches today cannot take the torque that today's engines produce, it is not always the clutch at fault, the DMF which is fitted is also a weak point, this is just not on LR's"

"I wanted an Auto, the swmbo put her foot down and threatened the halting of certain things if we had one, I did have my eye on a Disco 3 when the TD5 went but the manuals are a nono with them so a Freel2 it was and then that cost me another £1k to save excessive clutch wear." Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
Evoque SD4 Dynamic Lux Auto
Present: Audi A3 S Line.

AD's right - what evidence there is (i.e. the number of low-mileage, never-towed cars with clutch problems, and the number of high-mileage tow cars with no problems) suggest there's no link between clutch problems and towing, off-roading, or anything else. Indeed this, plus examinations of clutches which have been removed from cars referred to elsewhere on here, suggest the problem is not with the clutches themselves at all (which is why I'm specifically not using the term clutch failure). Sticking adjuster mechanisms have been suggested as a possible cause - sounds plausible, but we don't yet have the evidence to confirm it. So I would disregard towing as a reason for not buying a manual - it will make no difference to the likelihood of clutch problems.

Also, the low number of manuals relates only to your geographical area (or perhaps urban areas as a whole). In rural areas where people buy FLs as 4x4s you will find there are a lot of FL2s around and they're almost all manuals. (I think we've already had this discussion ) so actually there are lots of manuals around.

Pab is correct

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Whoops - I can see I've got the backs up of the Northern manual brigade. Must just be us soft Southerners that will pay the extra premium that auto's command then.

The fact is, that regardless of make/model, manual cars that have been used for towing COULD have a lot more wear and tear on the clutch at any given mileage compared to one with similar mileage that hasn't been used for towing. Regardless of manual or auto models that have or havent been used for towing, I cant recall reading about any transmission weaknesses on auto models. You cant deny that there have been numerous posts on this forum about the common clutch slip problem on the manual versions. Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
Evoque SD4 Dynamic Lux Auto
Present: Audi A3 S Line.

I had a 2009 GS manual and recently px'd it when I'd done 78,000 miles, of which about 7/8000 miles were towing a 1500kg.

The only problems I had towing were a poorly fitted 13pin scoket on the car (a loose connection) and the handbrake being poor for hill starts with the caravan on. But to be fair, the handbrake was poor generally anyway!

I'd be more concerned that the elcetrics for the towbar had been fitted using the correct dedicated harness.

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You cant deny that there have been numerous posts on this forum about the common clutch slip problem on the manual versions.

Pab has it exactly, we all know the Clutch is weak, but I don't see any evidence to say that Towing contributes to the downfall.

If you think the LR clutch is weak, you'd be well advised to stay away from Harley Davidson; apparently a flag will burn it out!
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