I didnt say what he did wasnt wrong.... I'm talking about collision avoidance due to a numpty.

TBH I have done many 1000s of miles including on the worlds biggest car park ( the 25 ) how ever this time was spent in cars designed to react as needed not a HGV so it is perhaps a different perspective I see it from.

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You can't see what was behind the lorry so for him to break or slow down could have been dangerous. It was up to the car driver to adjust his speed.

It was up to the car driver to adjust his speed.as other people have commented,
lack of brains, perception, and driving ability by the car driver you cannot expect everyone else to cover your own lack of ability ,(personally I would like to have seen the car driver permanently banned if he had a license in the first place..!)
Some police forces are now advocating at least 1 day in the passenger seat of a LGV to give new licensees a different prospective of how other road users have to face the day to day trials faced by other road users .
(It,s not often I am in agreement with the police but for once someone somewhere has actually thought about this .. well done ..! hope it becomes mandatory countrywide for everyone )

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Probably one of the brst examples and as I have already explained the camera is mounted at the top of the screen and see's a very different view ! I still reckon the driver wouldnt of seen the emerging car

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All this does is to highlight that for some people, the Highway Code is not something they have read.

I accept the Highway Code is not law, but it does show best practice and if everyone followed it as we are supposed to do, things like this just would not happen.

I have spoken with work colleagues who really don't have a clue. One thought the middle on a motorway was for 70 or more! Another was adamant the national speed limit on a dual carriageway was 60!

Clearly, the driving test should go back to including Highway Code questions, that way the examiner can question the candidate to make sure they fully understand the rules if anything crops up during the test that might give rise to doubt their understanding.

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when i posted this thread it was to see other peoples views on who was at fault and even after i posted the proper procedure on how to join a motorway/dualcarriage ways some people still said that the car driver was at fault so the conclusion i came to is that the driving test is not covering this procedure correctly for new drivers and existing and older drivers need to have a recap every so often 1995 P38 now dead
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I occasionally drive HGVs. The important thing (at all times) is to look ahead & plan ahead. Look ahead for changes in road pattern ie. the chance of merging traffic from the left. Plan ahead for turning at junctions - especially to the left. In both cases, mirrors should be checked really early, and constantly, for any surprises. For turns: Indicate early, gradually reduce your speed to what will be required for the turn, scanning your mirrors also. Position the vehicle positively so that your vehicle "body language" shows that you are preparing to make a manoevre, often straddling lane markings so that other traffic is actually impeded if necessary ie. swinging wide to the right before taking a left turn so that your inside rear wheels have clearance from the kerb. When taking the turn constantly scan the mirrors (including the kerb mirror) for cyclists etc, remembering also your "outside" tail-end may well swing out as you take the turn. Hopefully, if you have done all the above, you will not have the situation seen in OG's clip (above) as the cyclists will have already seen you indicating and positioning way before and kept themselves well back.
The camera footage from the OPs clip shows a lot more than the "driver's view", it also does not show his mirrors' view from 100's of metres back. It is quite possible he did not see the approaching vehicle until it had been "scooped up" by his front bumper, although it may have been visible in his mirrors at some point beforehand. He did the correct thing however by reducing speed slowly and guiding the ensemble to the hard shoulder.
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Dartman the one wrote:

In the UK the over/undertaking driver is at fault, joining a main road from a slip road, the Rules of the Road (marine) are transferred to the highway. The car was going faster than the truck, therefore the overtaking vehicle is at fault providing the truck holds its course and speed.

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andycwb, you failed to read my post though you quoted it, the car though joining the motorway, was actually travelling faster than the truck and became the overtaking vehicle. I stand by my example  my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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I think most of us agree the car driver did not perform his manoeuvre well. The debate is whether or not the truck driver contributed to the collision by not appearing to react. However the video camera which recorded the incident was located higher than the driver's eye line. It does look, particularly after viewing Oldgeezer's link, that the truck driver possibly did not see the car until impact. This would tie in with the police investigation resulting in no action against him. 2013 RR Evoque Pure Tech
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By way of an example, when I was working, one of my HGV drivers had a similar collision on the M25. In his case, driving a Merc tractor unit without trailer, he was changing lanes to the left, and omitted to see a Nissan Micra on his nearside, forward of his mirror! He side swiped the Micra, turning it sideways and on to his front bumper. The Micra tipped over before he stopped! No injuries thankfully. The police sent him on a "Safety Awareness Course" instead of prosecution Back at the office with me - we had a one-sided discussion and he a formal warning! 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

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Dartman the one wrote:

andycwb, you failed to read my post though you quoted it, the car though joining the motorway, was actually travelling faster than the truck and became the overtaking vehicle. I stand by my example