hi


this is a daily problem up here joining traffic trying to merge onto the dual carriage way (we dont have motorways in Aberdeen) thinking they have right of way when they dont, this video should be used to show how not to do it



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Both in the wrong - HGV for not slowing up just a tad and the numpty driver for playing chicken and not looking.

T Terran



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Not the way of doing it for the Honda driver, big thumb up for the lorry driver that know how to handle the situation and not brake suddenly (worse thing to do in these situations) but to slowly reduce the speed and guide the "moving assemble" sideways out of the motorway.

ccsnet wrote:

Both in the wrong - HGV for not slowing up just a tad and the numpty driver for playing chicken and not looking.

T

Whilst the principal culprit is the car driver, the truck driver should have made some attempt to brake. It is not reasonable to plough into someone risking their life, just because they are stupid! You can't tell everything from the clip, but that's the way it looks. 2013 RR Evoque Pure Tech
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Bugblatter wrote:

Whilst the principal culprit is the car driver, the truck driver should have made some attempt to brake. It is not reasonable to plough into someone risking their life, just because they are stupid! You can't tell everything from the clip, but that's the way it looks.

"Both in the wrong - HGV for not slowing up just a tad and the numpty driver for playing chicken and not looking. "

CCSNET sorry but you obviously dont drive round the M25 every day !
The lorry driver was cleared of all blame.

The camera view is different to the drivers view as the camera is mounted right at the top of the screen whereas the driver sits somewhat lower and further back.

My camera is mounted up very high in my cab and actually gives a false impression. The car driver was a numpty ! full stop.
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Car driver totally at fault; full marks to the trucker for controlling the situation. "Give Way" lines on entry to motorway mean just that.

It's really scary when the idiot car drivers do exactly the same to motorcyclists. Somehow the idea that it is up to the main road traffic to slow and allow joiners right of way has crept in. The French gave up their suicidal "Priorite a droite" rule years ago. Ours - 2008 Stornoway Grey HSE Auto
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oldgeezer wrote:

"Both in the wrong - HGV for not slowing up just a tad and the numpty driver for playing chicken and not looking. "

CCSNET sorry but you obviously dont drive round the M25 every day !
The lorry driver was cleared of all blame.

The camera view is different to the drivers view as the camera is mounted right at the top of the screen whereas the driver sits somewhat lower and further back.

My camera is mounted up very high in my cab and actually gives a false impression. The car driver was a numpty ! full stop.
Unusual to actually see a gap of a car length on the M25 ! normally if you leave a gap one cars length someone fills it

OK... let me phrase that a tad different.

90% of the blame goes to the car driver

10% to the lorry driver who should have though ahead and relised some thing may happen and simpley took his foot off the accelerator and NOT apply anchors to give that extra inch or two. After which the driver of the car could be reported.

Yes he did the right thing WHEN the accident occurred but I for one am from the school of thinking ahead and not simply reacting while driving.

The question is about risk and evaluation and thats got to be down to the drivers of the time.

Think now - think a mile ahead.... thats how I was tought.

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big-al-cove wrote:

Bugblatter wrote:

Whilst the principal culprit is the car driver, the truck driver should have made some attempt to brake. It is not reasonable to plough into someone risking their life, just because they are stupid! You can't tell everything from the clip, but that's the way it looks.

no the truck driver did the correct thing by NOT adjusting his speed, it all comes down to no one can mind read what the other driver is going to do


When joining from a slip road you should try to join at a speed which is similar to that of the traffic you are joining and only if there is a sufficient gap in the traffic flow for you to do so safely without impeding other drivers. If you cannot do this then you MUST stop and wait until there is a large enough gap to pull into the lane, once again without forcing other vehicles to slow down.

In the UK the over/undertaking driver is at fault, joining a main road from a slip road, the Rules of the Road (marine) are transferred to the highway. The car was going faster than the truck, therefore the overtaking vehicle is at fault providing the truck holds its course and speed.  my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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"no i don't use the M25 at all but the rules of the road are the same for all of the UK the M25 does not get any special treatment or exceptions"

sorry CCSNET but the driving is very different on the M25 due to the shear volume of cars , normally bumper to bumper even at 80 !

I suspect that the driver would not of seen the car entering as I pointed out earlier the view from the camera is very different to the driver !

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