Hi oldgeezer,

See you had a 2.2 Jaguar, got my wife to test drive one of those on her own - as I thought they where very good when they first came out. She opted for a Golf and is now on her 6th!

Anyway, my question to you is - was the 2.2 engine the same or similar to what is now in the Fl2?

If so, what is your thoughts on both engines?

Pablo 'There is thunder' then 'There is the warble of a V8'

SD4 HSE Fuji White (my car): sidesteps, door protection
Golf 2.0 tdi White (wife's car)
Triumph Stag (my 1975 V8 toy - 37,600 miles... Just started its 2nd restoration... had it since 1986)

Tiguan Summit (gone, but nice car)
Porsche Boxster (gone, it was too fast)
SLK (gone, did not like it - lost loads £s)
Discovery Cairngorm (gone,very tractor like)
+ loads of other cars

Hey Kola,

Just looked at your avatar, is that you on the left  'There is thunder' then 'There is the warble of a V8'

SD4 HSE Fuji White (my car): sidesteps, door protection
Golf 2.0 tdi White (wife's car)
Triumph Stag (my 1975 V8 toy - 37,600 miles... Just started its 2nd restoration... had it since 1986)

Tiguan Summit (gone, but nice car)
Porsche Boxster (gone, it was too fast)
SLK (gone, did not like it - lost loads £s)
Discovery Cairngorm (gone,very tractor like)
+ loads of other cars

Ok, A change of subject (thank goodness) and apologies for going off subject.....but as you asked.....

Our 'other' car happens to be a 2.2D x-type Jag, and the difference in performance is considerable

Although the basic engines are similar ( block and lower end), the head, valves, and turbo are all Jaguar, and I guess that's what makes the difference, along with the Jag being somewhat lighter and not having the aero-dynamics of a barn door!

Not that our TD4 is a slouch, indeed it performs very well, the SD4 I have driven and is better, but not really by very much.....none are in the same league as the Jag though..... hopes this helps Kola is the big solid black German Shepherd, Dobbie is.......a breed you've never heard of......yet;)

the head, valves, and turbo are all ford At work
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"I can't always believe facts I read on the web" - Charles Dickens

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Sorry kola bear, but my post was for old geezer - the original op, but since you have offered information I thank you for that.

But, the TD4 similar to the SD4 not a chance - I was being tail gated last week in the fast lane of the M77 down to Ayr by a Td4, man he was close and if I had to stop believe me he would not have been able to.

Now the problem was that I could not move over to let him pass as the lane on the left was busy with traffic and with it being rush hour no spaces available for me to move in (remember what we discussed earlier forcing way in, I do not do that) besides I was overtaking the traffic anyway at 65 as all traffic was indicating to move of the two-lane motorway to the left.

TD4 behind was not impressed that I could not move out the way so did think about opening the boot (pun) to let him drive straight through. I really got fed up of this tailgating so decided to press the pedal on the right and made progress unfortunately so did Mr TD4 so I really booted it, result I left Mr TD4 for toast, we do have a really big difference between the TD4 and SD4 in the mid-range punch, of course being a gentleman and from Scotland I did pull over and let him past eventually.

What did he do?

Forced himself off the motorway in front of patient drivers I.e. jumped a significant queue at the next junction.

See we do have some bad motorists up here too! Just not that many!

And you need to understand that many HGV drivers are also Fl2 owners, they do a sterling job in delivering all of the foodstuffs that you purchase at the supermarket or other and, they deliver the fuel that allows you to rant about their lively hood.

Me, I had a HGV1 in the military and would not even consider myself to be anywhere near as skilful as the true kings of the road the HGV professionals.

So please do not slag that profession, we really do need them, despite what you think!

I am a Director, they guys above have done more miles in reverse than what you or i have done combined!  'There is thunder' then 'There is the warble of a V8'

SD4 HSE Fuji White (my car): sidesteps, door protection
Golf 2.0 tdi White (wife's car)
Triumph Stag (my 1975 V8 toy - 37,600 miles... Just started its 2nd restoration... had it since 1986)

Tiguan Summit (gone, but nice car)
Porsche Boxster (gone, it was too fast)
SLK (gone, did not like it - lost loads £s)
Discovery Cairngorm (gone,very tractor like)
+ loads of other cars

"The above is CG knowledge so may be far removed from the truth"

With the greatest respect CG the above, in this case. really does apply!

Over on the Jag forum we call this the MS .........Mondeo Syndrome!

Whilst its true there is a great commonality of parts between the Mondeo and X-type ( base frame, brakes, ancillaries such as alternators, starter motors etc, the top end is exclusive to Jaguars This was really confirmed to me by the envy of a Mondeo owner friend who could not believe the different performance when he drove my X !!! ( and yeah, we are still friends;-) Kola is the big solid black German Shepherd, Dobbie is.......a breed you've never heard of......yet;)

Thanks George,

Did not realise that it was proportionately Ford - well I guess I have had Fords in the past, they did pretty good! So here's hoping!

 'There is thunder' then 'There is the warble of a V8'

SD4 HSE Fuji White (my car): sidesteps, door protection
Golf 2.0 tdi White (wife's car)
Triumph Stag (my 1975 V8 toy - 37,600 miles... Just started its 2nd restoration... had it since 1986)

Tiguan Summit (gone, but nice car)
Porsche Boxster (gone, it was too fast)
SLK (gone, did not like it - lost loads £s)
Discovery Cairngorm (gone,very tractor like)
+ loads of other cars

The 2.2 jaguar engine was fab but its not the same as the Freelander engine.
The jag 2.2 was a ford unit that was remapped by Ricardo for Jaguar to produce a much More responsive and smooth power delivery and was very very good. Much more refined and much better performance than the Mondeo.
I used to stow my twin axle van with the Jag. And performance was terrific and had no trouble over the Alps and fuel economy was really good too
The 2.2 was approx 160 bop and 400 nm torque at 1900 rpm

The big difference with the two jags I had was they were 100% reliable and served me Very well including 1 trip where we spent couple of months touring Europe and did. 1000's miles trouble free. Jaguar x-type sport gone
Jaguar x-type 2.2d sport one of my best cars ever sadly gone
Freelander 2 GS auto 2008 most unreliable ever ! gladly gone
Freelander 2 GS manual 2013 only time will tell !

Oh heck,

Not another tiff!

That's it, I am definitely going off line  'There is thunder' then 'There is the warble of a V8'

SD4 HSE Fuji White (my car): sidesteps, door protection
Golf 2.0 tdi White (wife's car)
Triumph Stag (my 1975 V8 toy - 37,600 miles... Just started its 2nd restoration... had it since 1986)

Tiguan Summit (gone, but nice car)
Porsche Boxster (gone, it was too fast)
SLK (gone, did not like it - lost loads £s)
Discovery Cairngorm (gone,very tractor like)
+ loads of other cars

Hi Oldgeezer, thanks for that!

Does that mean if Ricardo did his magic on the Freelander we would have an awesome bit of kit?

It is pretty good as it is, but I know the Jag was very smooth when I test drove one. I really wanted to buy one for the wife and insisted she drove one on her own, but I guess her heart was set on a Golf. I think the Jag was much smoother.

In the FL2 it would be awesome.

 'There is thunder' then 'There is the warble of a V8'

SD4 HSE Fuji White (my car): sidesteps, door protection
Golf 2.0 tdi White (wife's car)
Triumph Stag (my 1975 V8 toy - 37,600 miles... Just started its 2nd restoration... had it since 1986)

Tiguan Summit (gone, but nice car)
Porsche Boxster (gone, it was too fast)
SLK (gone, did not like it - lost loads £s)
Discovery Cairngorm (gone,very tractor like)
+ loads of other cars

I have been back up the road where the nutter had to squeeze I front where two lanes go to one and its on a brow of a hill and he had passed all three arrows pointing left and drove over the hatchlings to carve in front of me but he was still stuck beh ind the HGV I was following who was making good pace.
At the point where he just cleared my front bumper the stone came up and hit the screen.
It's left a chunk missing in zone b of the swept area approx 13mm across but also has a defiance crack which no doubt will grow.

Even worse was about another 800 yards up the road he stopped us all why he waited to turn right ! Normal numpty.
I will now wait to see what the insurance company have to say !
The hatching were surrounded by broken white line rather than a single or double solid white line where different rules apply Jaguar x-type sport gone
Jaguar x-type 2.2d sport one of my best cars ever sadly gone
Freelander 2 GS auto 2008 most unreliable ever ! gladly gone
Freelander 2 GS manual 2013 only time will tell !

The Jag engine was designed for performance whereas the Freelander engine is for low down torque.
The jag would rev all the way to the red line without the power dropping off whereas the FR2 does dramatically.
I also tried a remap on my 2.2 to 200 bhp and 480 nm of torque but it caused problems with the traction control and would wheel spin in 3rd 4th and 5th on a wet road and made it uncomfortable to drive so the re-map was removed.

I think the FR2 engine is a ford/psa unit derivitive Jaguar x-type sport gone
Jaguar x-type 2.2d sport one of my best cars ever sadly gone
Freelander 2 GS auto 2008 most unreliable ever ! gladly gone
Freelander 2 GS manual 2013 only time will tell !

Hi Oldgeezer,

Despite my somewhat spat with another reader - that is the whole issue, An ignoramus has made a dangerous manoeuvre that has no doubt caused you pain and a somewhat tricky scenario could have occurred however, you managed to pull through to find that this d head only wanted to turn right up ahead anyway!

Could he not have been a little more patient

As I say, they just do not care, hence my attitude to put myself first!

I wish some people would have took the time to read my posts first before having a rant about road rage - especially the post that I indicated going over a hidden dip that I could not even see over in a Disco2. I was towing a caravan on that occasion, with wife in front and young son in back. The idiot driving the Renault looked about 12 with a pony tail, perhaps they thought that they were on the motorway in a rural area idiots  'There is thunder' then 'There is the warble of a V8'

SD4 HSE Fuji White (my car): sidesteps, door protection
Golf 2.0 tdi White (wife's car)
Triumph Stag (my 1975 V8 toy - 37,600 miles... Just started its 2nd restoration... had it since 1986)

Tiguan Summit (gone, but nice car)
Porsche Boxster (gone, it was too fast)
SLK (gone, did not like it - lost loads £s)
Discovery Cairngorm (gone,very tractor like)
+ loads of other cars

Jeez,

A FL2 spinning wheels in 4th, 5th and 6th - that is impressive but fully understand you removing it.

Was going to consider a remap for my SD4 but had read that perhaps the power would cause more problems than it is worth.

The SD4 suits my needs as it stands I guess, only bought it for towing the caravan when in Europe and must say it performed very well - much better than the Tiguan and that in itself was a capable car. The FL 2 just does better because it is slightly heavier and has more torque - useful when towing uphill etc.  'There is thunder' then 'There is the warble of a V8'

SD4 HSE Fuji White (my car): sidesteps, door protection
Golf 2.0 tdi White (wife's car)
Triumph Stag (my 1975 V8 toy - 37,600 miles... Just started its 2nd restoration... had it since 1986)

Tiguan Summit (gone, but nice car)
Porsche Boxster (gone, it was too fast)
SLK (gone, did not like it - lost loads £s)
Discovery Cairngorm (gone,very tractor like)
+ loads of other cars