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taztastic

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Please can we discuss more of the thread title and less of what we feel each of us know about unions and politics.

Last edited by taztastic on 29th Aug 2013 9:11 am. Edited 1 time in total

29th Aug 2013 7:51 am

EYorkshire

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That's a shame, only now come upon this thread and finding it a little difficult to follow with all the sheep

29th Aug 2013 8:00 am

Pegleg

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What a pity this thread hasn't become the debate it should have.

Such threats of industrial action at JLR is indeed a very serious matter; some of us will have clear memories of past actions and the sad results that followed.

I do wonder, at this time of the most serious recession in living memory, whether those proposing industrial action have any care whatsoever as to the possible long term outcome other than their own greed.

Let's hope common sense will prevail, but if past history is anything to go by, then I'm worried. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

29th Aug 2013 11:11 am

ccsnet

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Pay rise - ha.... I wish....

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29th Aug 2013 11:27 am

ad210358

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If DHL are involved its not good, we have dealt with the Transport side of them, everything by the book, some Depots ok, others very difficult, the company name suits them well, Drop it Hide it Lose it. p****d off with a Digital Keyboard Warrior

29th Aug 2013 11:43 am

Badger1970

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Pegleg wrote:
Such threats of industrial action at JLR is indeed a very serious matter; some of us will have clear memories of past actions and the sad results that followed.

So do I. Enough said on that one I feel.

Pegleg wrote:
I do wonder, at this time of the most serious recession in living memory, whether those proposing industrial action have any care whatsoever as to the possible long term outcome other than their own greed.

They won't.. They never have. And never will, until we are all <equal> in their perverse and warped communist mentality.

Pegleg wrote:
Let's hope common sense will prevail, but if past history is anything to go by, then I'm worried.

Likewise. As is commonplace with this lot, it's all about getting one over on what they still class as the nasty bigoted "Old Empire". How they have been allowed to propagate unchecked in today's day and age after the NUM days of '84-85 astounds me...unfortunately in life you will always encounter these cretins that will argue that black is white. Let's hope JLR have a Plan B,C and beyond....personally I would hate to see one of the last proud BRITISH icons be shipped abroad in its entireity because of t0sspots like Red Len and his congregation et al....

Politics/differences of opinion aside, this needs resolving, and FAST! Foraging near Gaydon....
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29th Aug 2013 6:33 pm

geoffk

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Wow badger....You sound like someone from the economic league.
Record profits made by the workers but when they ask for crumbs, you go all mental.
Hope all is ok at your factory..
Ps a union is its members,,,,Its leadership have never voted in a ballot...

29th Aug 2013 9:23 pm

j77

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I admire the workforce for standing up for what they believe in, irrespective of the rights and wrongs. However I do think 6.2% is a bit ambitious, yes I'm a Unite member and no I don't agree with all that they do. I've been involved in one strike, not over money, we had bully for a manager who prayed on the weak. We felt we were forced into it because of the managements refusal to come and talk with us.

Striking over money doesn't work as at the end of the day, your wage rise is self financed. Sitting round a table and discussing everything sensibly to come to some agreement which is attractive to the company and the workforce is how it should be done.

We're lucky now that the company and the trade union work together to resolve issues that the workforce may have without even the mention of the word strike, 9 times out of 10 we are happy with the out come. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

29th Aug 2013 10:23 pm

Badger1970

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geoffk wrote:
Wow badger....You sound like someone from the economic league.

Not at all...just someone who is passionate about British manufacturing, and wanting this country to have something to cheer about.

geoffk wrote:
Hope all is ok at your factory..

All is great at my factory, thanks for asking. We employ over 80, and a quarter of those in the Press Shop alone, who are proud of what they do and not ONE of them belongs to a Union either. Good working practices and an open Management structure negates the need for one.

geoffk wrote:
Ps a union is its members,,,,Its leadership have never voted in a ballot...

Very true. Unfortunately, militant leadership and lemmings spring to mind. What Len says, goes. No discussion. Or so it would seem! Foraging near Gaydon....
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30th Aug 2013 2:14 am

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taztastic wrote:
Please can we discuss more of the thread title and less of what we feel each of us know about unions and politics.

Or think we know about unions and politics!

30th Aug 2013 9:06 am

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31st Aug 2013 11:57 am

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