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The Doctor



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Diesel waxing

I have heard that at temps of -15C and lower, the diesel starts 'waxing' in the tank which means the car may not start or if it does may not run properly.

As unlikely as it may be to get that cold (although it did quite often in 2010 winter), I have a couple of questions:

1: Would Shell V-Power diesel or BP Ultimate diesel be more resistant to waxing?

2: Can you purchase a diesel additive that will resist waxing?

Thanks in advance Thumbs Up LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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Post #161964 23rd Nov 2012 1:29 pm
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bigalf1961



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dosent the freelander have a fuel heater in the filter to stop waxing Whistle rainy-city
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Post #161968 23rd Nov 2012 1:54 pm
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wombat



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Have you looked at Archoil AR6200?

It seems to cover most things, including adding additional lubrication.

I have just ordered some, so will be using it soon.

Post #161973 23rd Nov 2012 2:36 pm
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rchrdleigh



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England 2011 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Baltic Blue

Had problem with diesel waxing in my Freelander 2 last winter. Filled it up with BP diesel drove to France, left it overnight in hotel car park where temperature went down to -16C. Next morning car started and ran normally for about 5 miles until I went to accelerate onto the Autoroute at which point it went into Reduced Engine Performance limp mode.

I cleared the limp mode, drove slowly to the next service area, filled up with French diesel and car returned to normal running, albeit with Reduced Engine Performance warning on message centre. Message centre cleared when i left it switched off for over 30 minutes while stopped for lunch and everything has been fine since.

Post #161974 23rd Nov 2012 2:46 pm
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nicedayforit



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You could just add 10% petrol to your diesel when you fill-up, alternatively use this,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5x-Wurth-Winter-...3cc20ed5be

Post #161979 23rd Nov 2012 3:24 pm
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LRswe



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they put petrol in here at the pumps during the winter months, never had a problem.

Post #161980 23rd Nov 2012 3:28 pm
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BossBob



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Won't the petrol effect the lubrication of the fuel pump and injectors?

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LRswe



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yeah it will : (

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pab



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Lago Grey

I believe petrol is added here in the UK too, so I'd be very careful about adding more!

As for the petrol affecting the lubrication, I wonder how long before someone suggests adding 2-stroke. Oh, damn, I just did... Very Happy

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The Doctor



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Any thoughts on the 'super diesel' having any benefits in this regard? LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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Post #161991 23rd Nov 2012 4:36 pm
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EYorkshire



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bigalf1961 wrote:
dosent the freelander have a fuel heater in the filter to stop waxing Whistle


I'm afraid not, nothing electrical, the fuel filter has a 'pre-heat' function but this is a thermostat that recirculates the fuel through the canister instead of returning it to the tank. It then gets it heat by being next to the engine and being constantly on the move.

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Post #161992 23rd Nov 2012 4:40 pm
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From the middle of November the UK fuel stations will be on Winter Diesel that will have additives to help combat this, although -15 is quoted it seems this can be exceeded by quite an amount.

By the way, our engines are modern direct injection and adding petrol will allow the high compression to detonate the petrol early, not recommended unless you have pre 2000 diesels.

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chrisdeeming



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guys guys guys calm down i'm sure youre over thinking all this When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car

Post #161995 23rd Nov 2012 4:57 pm
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EYorkshire



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Yes, my previous TD4e was faultless in the winter of 2010 and I used BP standard diesel.

I don't think anyone is worried, it just makes a talking point.

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Big Dave



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Not sure about the original question (BP Ultimate/ Shell VPower).

However, if the temperature drops to say -15 the likelyhood of the fuel dropping to that temperature also is remote, it would have to be even colder before it caused problems, before we even factor into using winter diesel. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
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