Hi, I collected my 5th shiny new Freelander HSE this March (3 @FL1, this is my second FL2), and am delighted with everything (apart from the mpg of course).

I am sure that I ordered a FL2 2.2L Diesel 150PS, but when I enter my VIN into Land Rover TOPIX, it tells me that I have a 2.2L Diesel 190PS! Everything else is spot on, interior trim, wheels, colour of the leather etc...

So, the questions are, is the 150PS and 190PS the same engine with different ECU? Can I tell physically which one is under the hood? And whats the best way forward?

Would that explain the poor mpg?

Hello to all, and thanks in advance, John.

Well, you have a manual gearbox so unfortunately for you the 190PS is only mated to an automatic FL2.

..... and welcome

It is indeed the same engine just tuned to give either 150 or 190 bhp.
As EYorkshire said if you've got a manual gearbox then you'll have the 150bhp, 2.2 litre engine despite what Topix might indicate.
Real world fuel consumption is never as good as the official figures. My 2011/60 TD4 XS manual is doing just over 40 mpg after 22000 miles which is down on the official combined figure of 45 mpg. Optimum fuel economy will not be achieved until the engine is fully run in, so don't expect a good mpg figure from the vehicle while it is brand new.

Thanks Guys, I did not really want a 190PS, but was surprised when I saw it.

Presumably if it is the same engine, then the ECU map for the 190 would work in the 150!

My FL2 has now done 16K and giving about 38mpg. Fully loaded for work it goes down to 36 and empty up to 40. I am hoping that things will improve, 12% wrong is not good.


John.

wilfsoft wrote:

Thanks Guys, I did not really want a 190PS, but was surprised when I saw it.

Presumably if it is the same engine, then the ECU map for the 190 would work in the 150!

My FL2 has now done 16K and giving about 38mpg. Fully loaded for work it goes down to 36 and empty up to 40. I am hoping that things will improve, 12% wrong is not good.


John.

Well I have had 5 Freelanders and 3 Honda CRVs. I carried my full work equipment in the last CRV, a 2.2 Diesel. Honda claimed 43mpg combined and that is exactly what it returned over the time I had it!

Honda are claiming 48mpg for their new CRV! Shame that it is not a Land Rover

I would be very happy with 40mpg whilst carrying my work stuff, but 36 is not good - bearing in mind that they were pushing this version of the FL as the most Green and most Economical.


John.

Do you pay more road tax on a 190 to a 150? more emissions?

You need to drive exactly like this

The test is outlined in Directive 93/116/EC as amended by Regulation (EC) 692/2008, and provides results that are more than representative of actual average on-road fuel consumption than previous tests. There are two parts: an urban and an extra-urban cycle. The cars tested have to be run-in and must have been driven for at least 1,800 miles (3,000 kilometres) before testing.
Urban Cycle
The urban test cycle is carried out in a laboratory at an ambient temperature of 20oC to 30oC on a rolling road from a cold start, i.e. the engine has not run for several hours. The cycle consists of a series of accelerations, steady speeds, decelerating and idling. Maximum speed is 31mph (50km/h), average speed 12mph (19km/h) and the distance covered is 2.5 miles (4km).
Extra-Urban Cycle
This cycle is conducted immediately following the urban cycle and consists of roughly half steady-speed driving and the remainder accelerations, decelerations, and some idling. Maximum speed is 75mph (120km/h), average speed is 39mph (63 km/h) and the distance covered is 4.3miles (7km).
Combined Fuel Consumption Figure
The combined figure presented is for the urban and extra-urban cycle together. It is therefore an average of the two parts of the test, weighted by the distances covered in each part.

Emissions - 165 vs 185 g/km, not sure if that crosses a payment boundary.

What it does do is cost more insurance!


John.

Never considered insurance, did you get a quote for both?

No, always planned on getting the TD4 Manual which anly comes in the 150PS. But as a rule the more BHP (or in this case PS - roughly the same), the higher the insurance cost.

I had driven a 150PS before so knew that I was happy with the performance (it is a vehicle I work in), and I did want to get a reasonable mpg - 150 quotes 45 combined, 190 quotes 40 combined. The difference is significant when you do 25K business miles per year, plus my private.


John.

Road tax for a 150 bhp is currently £170. Road tax for a 190 bhp is about £230.

Mines £215

But if it was down to the difference of 4mpg I wouldn't lose sleep over it, I would be getting up in the morning seeing which way the wind was blowing and thinking head wind today

From 11MY, Road tax for a 150 auto is the same as a 190 auto. It is only the manual version that differs.

Last edited by Natwest on 12th Nov 2012 4:23 am. Edited 1 time in total

It'll improve as it loosens up...you'll need at least 15k on it til it's run in, although 40 is pretty good. You'll very rarely hit combined published figures, they're unrealistic. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

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