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Dunk



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Juddery engine............

Any ideas guys?, car has developed a judder at 2100 rpm.....if you hold it in gear at that ammount of revs it 'judders' and is more pronounced when going up hill/under load. Generally the engine doesn't seem anywhere near as smooth as it should either. I put some injector cleaner through hoping this might help but it hasn't Sad (98,000 miles on her now with next to zero issues)

Car has just had an interim service so the fuel filter was changed approx' 15,000 miles ago....could it be it needs a new fuel filter or what?

Any ideas much appreciated! Thumbs Up
Post #149219 23rd Jul 2012 4:08 pm
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iain cooper



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does sound like the fuel filter or bad fuel ?

Iain
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Dunk



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iain cooper wrote:
does sound like the fuel filter or bad fuel ?

Iain


Would it be likely the problem (juddering) be worse at a certain ammount of revs if it was just the fuel filter that needed replacement, ie: noticeably worse at 2100 rpm?
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Is it speed related or rev related Question
Does it still judder at those revs when not moving in neutral Question
Injector possibly Question ______________________
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Dunk



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Dave wrote:
Is it speed related or rev related Question
Does it still judder at those revs when not moving in neutral Question
Injector possibly Question


Dave,

Definately rev related while under load, ie: no engine power/no judder. Say for example you drive in 4th at 2100rpm it is very hesitant...almost like it's missing. Put your foot down and it lags a little then picks up and goes. Either side of this ammount of revs it doesn't do it, having said that it feels like it's running a little rough/not as smooth as usual generally.

If you hold the engine at 2100rpm in neutral it sounds/feels fine.
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Obviously then its there at specific revs and only when the car is moving so that would make me think its clutch or drivetrain related Question

Does it happen in all gears at 2100rpm or just 4th gear Question , if its all gears then I would suspect it would be gearbox or clutch related Question ______________________
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Same symptoms that mine had last year, dual mass flywheel failure, may need clutch as well. Only juddered in 4th and above, almost shook the dashboard off it was that bad. This is common, loads of posts on here about it. Mind you, mine went at 20k miles so if yours is on 98k then you are doing well!
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Dunk



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mojo wrote:
Same symptoms that mine had last year, dual mass flywheel failure, may need clutch as well. Only juddered in 4th and above, almost shook the dashboard off it was that bad. This is common, loads of posts on here about it. Mind you, mine went at 20k miles so if yours is on 98k then you are doing well!


Clutch and flywheel done recently mojo.....it's not that sort of judder thankfully, fairly sure it is fuel related, somehow?
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Dave wrote:
Obviously then its there at specific revs and only when the car is moving so that would make me think its clutch or drivetrain related Question

Does it happen in all gears at 2100rpm or just 4th gear Question , if its all gears then I would suspect it would be gearbox or clutch related Question


All gears but more noticeable in 4th or 5th on a flat smooth road or when under load going up hill............
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Dunk



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Not something I normally do so haven't noticed before but if I rev the car in neutral, as I take my foot off the throttle there is a 'whoosh' sort of sound (as soon as the throttle is released)...........would this have something to do with it possibly?
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egr valve? look for the posts on here its about the rev range when the valve shuts yours may be stuck open rainy-city
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Dunk



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bigalf1961 wrote:
egr valve? look for the posts on here its about the rev range when the valve shuts yours may be stuck open


Thanks bigalf.....................been looking into this funnily enough and it does seem to give similar symptoms to what i'm experiencing Thumbs Up
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there is a cleaner you can use that wynns do but i dont know of any one using it Question rainy-city
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I too would suspect a stuck open EGR valve. Had this on my TD5, and while I didn't get actual juddering, the performance was way down. Cured when I blanked the EGR (not so easy on a Freely though)
Post #149302 24th Jul 2012 2:57 pm
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Dunk



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Much appreciated all.......out of interest where is the EGR situated? is it easy enough to identify etc? Will arrange some cleaner and replacement gasket in readiness to tackle the damn thing but unless it stands out like a sore thumb i've no idea where it lives Laughing
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