Doctor, personal opinion is fine, we accept that.

Why? Is the question you seem unable to answer.

taztastic wrote:

Doctor, personal opinion is fine, we accept that.

Why? Is the question you seem unable to answer.

The Doctor wrote:

The auto is more jerky because of the very nature of autos i.e kick down!

The Doctor seems to cling about the kick down jerkiness...
But let's think about it: when you kick down, you want full potential of the car/box, right?
And, in a manual, when you realize that you are on the wrong gear for a kick down, you change down manually, right?
And how will be that rush/quick change down in a manual when, I repeat, you'll want maximum performance?
I doubt you'll change down in a manual with less shudder/jerkiness than the kick down of an auto, and still keep the maximum performance out of that manual box...
For sure your manual's QUICK and RUSHED change down is much jerky than the auto's change down...
And if you insist is not, then much slower I may add...
Just imagine a very steep hill climb when you realize your engine will die on you because it's on the wrong gear... Imagine that manual's gear change... Until you'll manually change gear the car will loose all momentum. And if not, for sure that gear change will not be smooth at all...

The manual change down is perfectly smooth and the reason for this is because the driver is in control. The auto as the LR day guy mentioned drops 2 gears on full kickdown hence the jerking. The FL1 manual was far less powerful and even slower than the FL2 manual and I prefer that gearbox to the FL2 auto.

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Yeah, right....
And the marmot puts the chocolate in the aluminium foil...

The bottom line is that it is all down to personal choice, I have driven both and prefer the auto. For those that go on about having more control I presume you also long for manual chokes and the ignition advance and retard on the steering wheel, also we can do away with climate control, we are all capable of turning the heater up or down.
When sitting in a long line of traffic I can see nothing good about using a clutch, if I wanted a sporty drive and to play tunes with the gear box I would have bought a sports car, which by the way all supercars seem to being going down the auto route. If a manual is the ultimate for control why do all formula 1 cars now use a dual clutch auto box, because they change gear far faster than a manual.

This is laughable

Is the bloody TARDIS auto or manual, does he start off in 1st and work his way through the gearbox as he accelerates pass URANUS, no cos he got an auto even the proper Doctor has enough sense for that.

" The auto as the LR day guy mentioned drops 2 gears on full kickdown hence the jerking."

Very wrong ! it depends on what speed the car is travelling in the first place !
& I still don't see where this hang up is about the kick down being jerky, something i have never experienced.
They had a reputation for hanging onto a down change for too long hence making the up change erratic but a software update fixed that.

There is nothing more jerky than driving a manual one around town changing gear in all the wrong places.
To be honest a truck i used to drive had better gear ratios than the manual loan cars i had & boy I have had plenty & if you drop two gears in a manual one to overtake its jerky !

oldgeezer wrote:

" The auto as the LR day guy mentioned drops 2 gears on full kickdown hence the jerking."
Very wrong ! it depends on what speed the car is travelling in the first place !

It still does not answer which is the better box, just because it jerks on kick down, which incidentally is not two gears, it will be the lowest available.
The current development of drive trains, for almost any application, are towards automatic principles, there is a very valid reason for this, despite them being more expensive, to both manufacture and maintain, they are simply better.

A manual gearbox has a fatal weak component, the operator, who provides no consistency what so ever, in heavy industrial applications, some numpty slamming the gears in without care can have disastrous consequences. The same with LR, if they had to make a manual gearbox for the Freelander that could cope with every driver/situation then I suspect it would be very expensive, possibly more than the Auto.

Most manufacturers have manual options, have these been developed over the years, not really, the DMF was an attempt to make changes more smooth for those who are unable to make a smooth change and rubbish the car as a result of there ineptitude, the better solution of course...automatic.

The personal preference debate will rattle on for years, the truth can be seen by the progression of technology.

Because it jerks

EYorkshire wrote:

This is laughable

Is the bloody TARDIS auto or manual, does he start off in 1st and work his way through the gearbox as he accelerates pass URANUS, no cos he got an auto even the proper Doctor has enough sense for that.

The Doctor wrote:

I will go on the bus before buying an FL2 auto or FL3 auto assuming there will be an FL3.

Don't forget buses have auto gearboxes  2002 Honda VFR800
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simont wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

I will go on the bus before buying an FL2 auto or FL3 auto assuming there will be an FL3.

Don't forget buses have auto gearboxes

Ask the bus driver first, most are automatic

taztastic wrote:

Ask the bus driver first, most are automatic