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taztastic



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HDC worked perfectly for me yesterday on a steep loose gravel descent, far better than I could control the descent, I also know many people have said it works well on slippery snow covered slopes?

Post #115509 2nd Oct 2011 8:20 pm
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jp



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I find HDC works well in the snow,

I was followed by a Nissan Patrol (looking like Bigfoot!!, big wheels, high suspension, etc) down a very steep slippy snowy hill, he was out of control. and almost hit the Censored bridge at the bottom,
Myself no problems. He was taken back to how well the little freelander was in the snow compered to his big foot Nissan !!

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rchrdleigh



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HDC works well in most situations and in Freelander is particularly good on slippery surfaces.
Much better to rely on HDC than the brakes when going downhill. Using the brakes risks locking up all four wheels while HDC will prevent lock up and minimise the risk of losing control. If you have cruise control you can use the + and - buttons to increase or decrease the speed of descent.

Post #115514 2nd Oct 2011 8:28 pm
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The Doctor



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rchrdleigh wrote:
HDC works well in most situations and in Freelander is particularly good on slippery surfaces.
Much better to rely on HDC than the brakes when going downhill. Using the brakes risks locking up all four wheels while HDC will prevent lock up and minimise the risk of losing control. If you have cruise control you can use the + and - buttons to increase or decrease the speed of descent.


I agree, I have used HDC in slippery compacted snow slopes and slopes covered in thick snow with no problems.

Technically though, the brakes shouldn't lock up due to ABS. What is that sort of juddering you get when braking on ice? Is it the ABS going haywire trying to compensate?

Nice video here of LR experience day if you excuse the slightly hysterical woman:  LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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The Doctor



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Just copied this from BBC weather page:

Monday 3 October 2011 to Sunday 9 October 2011
Autumn returns

The warm air which has led to our recent heat is clinging on across the southeastern half of the UK, giving a warm Monday here, although with more of a breeze we won't see those temperatures getting quite as high as the past couple of days. Rain and strong winds will affect northwestern parts.

By Tuesday cooler air from the northwest will clear the last of the heat and bring with it a more unsettled pattern which will remain with us throughout the week. So, it's a grey day in store across southern counties on Tuesday with patchy rain, while further north it's a bright but breezy picture with showers.

Wednesday will bring wet and windy weather across the UK, and things will turn much cooler again by Thursday. The weather for the end of the week will be dominated by stong winds and a mixture of brightness and blustery showers. To the north these showers will often be heavy and at times thundery with winds increasing to gale force. We are even likely to see these showers turning to snow over some Scottish mountains.

A brief quieter spell on Friday night may lead to a touch of ground frost. LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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mini-eggs



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My first winter with the land rover, during the snow I took it to a field and an empty car park, and just experimented.

Tried different terrain response modes, HDC, DSC, how hard can i accelerate, how hard can i brake etc. etc

You can pick up good advice on here but trying things out yourself can be a great help

Post #115620 3rd Oct 2011 5:42 pm
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wizking



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Couldn't agree more mini eggs, I did the same.

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hutchingsp



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mini-eggs wrote:
You can pick up good advice on here but trying things out yourself can be a great help


That's my plan, just making sure I can get there first Very Happy

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The Doctor



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hutchingsp wrote:
mini-eggs wrote:
You can pick up good advice on here but trying things out yourself can be a great help


That's my plan, just making sure I can get there first Very Happy


You will be blown away by the abilities of the FL2 (with sensible driving of course) and although winter tyres are the best for ultimate grip and braking etc, decent M+S tyres won't let you down. The Goodyear Wranglers on mine laughed in the face of all the heavy snow, compacted snow/ice and slushy stuff that had frozen.

The FL2 proved truly unstoppable and the pics in my gallery show some of my snow exploits.

Follow the above youtube link I posted to see it in action on LR day. Slightly hysterical woman driving though Laughing LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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Captain Worm



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The Doctor wrote:
rchrdleigh wrote:
HDC works well in most situations and in Freelander is particularly good on slippery surfaces.
Much better to rely on HDC than the brakes when going downhill. Using the brakes risks locking up all four wheels while HDC will prevent lock up and minimise the risk of losing control. If you have cruise control you can use the + and - buttons to increase or decrease the speed of descent.


I agree, I have used HDC in slippery compacted snow slopes and slopes covered in thick snow with no problems.

Technically though, the brakes shouldn't lock up due to ABS. What is that sort of juddering you get when braking on ice? Is it the ABS going haywire trying to compensate?

Nice video here of LR experience day if you excuse the slightly hysterical woman:


I've driven Milton Keynes in the snow much like it was in that video - except the instructor in the video did'nt take her down the 1 in 1 slope that is round the back of the course... the hills that she were doing are only small, so if you think tahts impressive, trust me taking a 2 tonne vehicle down a 45degree drop in snow is REALLY impressive.

As for ABS - the problem is all 4 wheels could lock if you panic and jam on the brake, and in this situation ABS does not know to release that brake as it does not know the car is slipping. HDC is just a form of ABS but without the human error element potentially causing the lockup.

The juddering you feel is just the brake servo applying and releasing the brake pressure on each wheel individually, extremely quickly. Freelander 2 TD4 Auto, SE, Narvik Black, Alpaca full leather, Rear Headrest Entertainment System, 6 CD, 18 HSE Wheels, Privicy tints

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VIKING



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Roule # 1: Put on winter-tyres (SUV-winter-tyres)
Roule # 2: Drive carefully! 4x4 means you will get ahead in the snow where others wont, -and up hill, but you've still got a heavy car! But winter-tyres will help you braking. 2008 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Automatic, Caspian Blue, Alpaca, Moon roof, Exclusive pack.

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D-Man



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HDC Manual vs Auto

It would be nice if the HDC would work in gears other than 1st and reverse on the manual FL2 like it does on the auto. I have a manual but used an auto on a LR Experience day - on the auto it works in more gears (using command shift) and in neutral too - now, wouldn't that be even MORE useful to those of us in manuals who have to worry about gear choice etc?

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BossBob



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HDC works in first and second gear on the manual FL2.

Post #122193 2nd Dec 2011 7:23 pm
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MartynB



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well impressed at Coniston Cold LRE coming down a steep wet muddy hill on HDC, the instructor told me to steer the cars' nearside wheels onto a long set of steel roller conveyors that were concreted in half way down, so that all traction was lost on that side, The HDC coped without a hitch, and as said previously worked brilliantly in neutral and reverse Bow down 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

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D-Man



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BossBob wrote:
HDC works in first and second gear on the manual FL2.


Not on mine! Selecting 2nd gives the message about it being unavailable in this gear! How old is your FL2? - Just wondered if it makes a difference, mine is 07.

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