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alex_pescaru

Member Since: 12 Mar 2009
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Mav71 wrote:
The ECU knows which gear the car is in based on speed sensing and engine revs. As everything is electronic now the ECU's have information from all over the car.

Then what's the point of that switch for first gear?...

Suppose that you have the car on neutral, car moving (downhill) and you slowly rev. the engine from 1000 to 4000 and back. This mean that the ECU will be fooled to think that you've had the car, sequentially, in all gears??? Doubtful...
But who knows, maybe I am wrong...

13th May 2011 9:23 pm

simont

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Don't "autos" display the selected gear on the little display - hence it does know which gear it is in... 2002 Honda VFR800
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14th May 2011 7:44 am

npinks

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Only in command shift

But the ecu must still know Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

14th May 2011 7:46 am

alex_pescaru

Member Since: 12 Mar 2009
Location: RO
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simont wrote:
Don't "autos" display the selected gear on the little display - hence it does know which gear it is in...

We are talking here about manual boxes, which are a little subdimensioned for the torque as it is...
Not to mention a tuned-up engine.

An auto is electronically controlled, so, indeed, there is info about the gear number. No need for switches.
But on a manual box, there are only two switches for informing the engine ECU, 1st and Reverse.
Follow the electrical schematics/diagrams and you'll see.

14th May 2011 12:33 pm

Mav71

Member Since: 15 Nov 2008
Location: Leicester
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alex_pescaru wrote:
Mav71 wrote:
The ECU knows which gear the car is in based on speed sensing and engine revs. As everything is electronic now the ECU's have information from all over the car.

Then what's the point of that switch for first gear?...

Suppose that you have the car on neutral, car moving (downhill) and you slowly rev. the engine from 1000 to 4000 and back. This mean that the ECU will be fooled to think that you've had the car, sequentially, in all gears??? Doubtful...
But who knows, maybe I am wrong...

The system is alot cleverer than that. The chances of you getting the revs perfectly right when coasting is very remote. The ECU also knows when the engine is under load.

When your rolling down a hill and trying to match the revs in neutral, the ECU does not register any load. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

19th May 2011 7:30 pm

alex_pescaru

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Indeed, you're right, there is no torque/load. You may be right...
But what about the switch for 1st gear? Why is there? Couldn't they use the same method?
Brainstorming...
Sorry to the initiator of the topic... We are totally off topic.

19th May 2011 7:40 pm

Big Dave

Member Since: 22 Nov 2009
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Just going back to the original thread...a very respected VAG tuner told me recently that VAG cars have now got a lot harder to map. To put it into perspective in his words, 'the people with the know how of how to get around the firewall protecting the ecu wouldn't waste their time on car remaps...they'd go for internet banking and the like'

I suspect LR have a similar encryption technique on the new cars. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

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20th May 2011 12:00 am

Carbon-Chiptuning

Member Since: 17 May 2011
Location: Manchester area.
Posts: 5

Hello gents,

The latest Land Rovers can indeed be remapped but you have to remove the ECU and map it on the bench.

We have mapped a number of them with great results.

Regards
CARBON

MOD: I'm happy to pay to talk shop here but I can't get a reply from the admin on costs etc so if you could let me know that would be great

1st Jun 2011 12:25 pm

Mav71

Member Since: 15 Nov 2008
Location: Leicester
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Carbon-Chiptuning wrote:
Hello gents,

The latest Land Rovers can indeed be remapped but you have to remove the ECU and map it on the bench.

We have mapped a number of them with great results.

Regards
CARBON

MOD: I'm happy to pay to talk shop here but I can't get a reply from the admin on costs etc so if you could let me know that would be great

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1st Jun 2011 12:32 pm

Carbon-Chiptuning

Member Since: 17 May 2011
Location: Manchester area.
Posts: 5

Hi Mav71

We develop our own software.

Sorry for the short response but I don't want to say too much until I can pay for advertising.

1st Jun 2011 2:15 pm

EYorkshire

Member Since: 18 Nov 2010
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Welcome

Are you 100% happy that the Freelander 2's mechanicals are up to the job (ie clutch, gearbox, DMF) with the additional power/torque, especially as failing clutches are a big talking point on the forum.

1st Jun 2011 2:42 pm

Carbon-Chiptuning

Member Since: 17 May 2011
Location: Manchester area.
Posts: 5

EYorkshire wrote:
Welcome

Are you 100% happy that the Freelander 2's mechanicals are up to the job (ie clutch, gearbox, DMF) with the additional power/torque, especially as failing clutches are a big talking point on the forum.

In a word yes, We've mapped plenty without issue and one of our software engineers had a manual freelander 2 as his own personal vehicle for two years /40,000 miles so we know these cars well.

DMF / Gearboxes / clutches fall apart with or without the help of a remap, I'd advise any client to have a moderate power and torque increase if they have concerns about DMF / Gearbox / Clutch issues.

Thank you for the welcome

1st Jun 2011 2:49 pm

Griff

Member Since: 11 Apr 2011
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2011 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Zermatt Silver

I will be asking a very close friend to test Bluefin on his extremely new Freelander by the end of the week and let you know. He has been told by the MD of Superchips that the unit WILL work on the 2011 Freelander 2.................

If it doesnt I will let you know

and if it does then I will deffo let you know!
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2nd Jun 2011 9:26 am

mojo

Member Since: 06 Feb 2010
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2010 Freelander 2 TD4_e S Manual Stornoway Grey

What about JE Engineering or Alive Tuning? - They specialise in LR tunes, would have one done if I could afford the insurance afterwards!

2nd Jun 2011 11:18 am

Carbon-Chiptuning

Member Since: 17 May 2011
Location: Manchester area.
Posts: 5

Griff wrote:
I will be asking a very close friend to test Bluefin on his extremely new Freelander by the end of the week and let you know. He has been told by the MD of Superchips that the unit WILL work on the 2011 Freelander 2.................

If it doesnt I will let you know

and if it does then I will deffo let you know!

I'll bet you 2p that it won't work, they have a protected anti tune ECU that has to be removed

2nd Jun 2011 1:54 pm

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