http://www.jeengineering.co.uk/freelander/diesel-engines.html

Any body had a look? Al C

I think JE are about the best LR tuners around at the moment, they've been doing purely Land Rover stuff for ages, and haven't gone all, erm, cheshire/essex like Overfinch! Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

I'm sure that it is good, but 175 bhp from standard is about a 11 or 12% increase and a 10% increase in torque. I would have thought that they could get more than that out of it... Hi Darling, I'll be home in 10 mins. If I'm not back, please read this message again...

Some people have had transmission issues with higher power outputs, better to be safe than sorry, and JE are specialist LR tuners, making their reputation important. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

just thought if people were waiting for power increase with 2011. would also agree with quality of j and e.
They sorted my previous disco td5. was like a different vehicle.
Wouldn't have mine done at moment though because of waranty. Al C

Been looking at many tunes for the TD4.
On my old Audi A4 1.8TQ I had OBD tuning from BSR. It's a PPC handheld computer that you hook up to your diagnostics port. Start by downloading your OEM program to the PPC. Hooking it back up to the computer and sending the OEM program to the tuner. They tune your oem program and send it back to you.
You then upload the tune to your PPC and hook it back to your car. Press start and it uploads the tuned program to your car in 10 minutes. Worked great!
BSR doesn't make a PPC for the FL2, but I found a German company that does. I don't know much about them.

http://www.maxchip.de/de/pkw-tuning-box.ht...ory_id=653

185HK and 460nm.

There's a few companies that do the tuning box like you describe, however, general tuners tend to go for all out power figures, whereas I can almost guarantee that JE would make a more useable map. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

Big Dave wrote:

Some people have had transmission issues with higher power outputs, better to be safe than sorry, and JE are specialist LR tuners, making their reputation important.

I wouldn't say a below 10% increase in power is a usable map....more like a waste of money.
Those are numbers you pull from a tune on a non-turbo car.
I would lke to know why they don't take out the extra like the other tuners. Is it a weakness in the turbo? Is it the Clutch? Do you know Dave?

I guess I'm also spoiled like you xtatts. Audi and BMW make insane engines. I just had stage 1 on my 1.8TQ with 200hp. No problem to go 300 with oem internals but larger turbo and nossels.

You guys are missing the whole point.

That's a 10%increase in PEAK power. The actual gain may be much bigger.

For example. Peak Power is produced at around 4200rpm on the freelander.

Peak torque is roughly 1800rpm (these are guesses I'm not looking at a graph)

The superchips actually gives a max power of 182. 7 more hp at 4200 rpm. How often do you drive at 4200 rpm? Hardly ever I'm guessing.

What a 4x4 specialist would do is increase the available power lower in the rev range.

So, lets say, just for comparison, the superchips map gives 120 hp at 2000rpm, which would be slightly higher than what LR offer as standard. JE will probably increase this to maybe 135-140hp. This means that you have more power available when you actually want it and can access it. All the superchips system does is impress power crazy people who don't understand fully, and who want to brag.

Useability is key, not the biggest number on a piece of paper.

My 135hp Triumph Speed Triple ran rings round a 170hp Suzuki GSX-R 1000 the other day, because mine's more useable. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

I know about peak powers. Been tuning cars for over 10years now.
But.... have you seen the graphs for this tune?
Can't find it on their site.
When we see the graph we can have a new discussion about "missing the point"
Ok?

These are the graphs courtesy of www.mybluefin.co.uk (part of superchips)

I think what you're saying is that as you can see, the power comes on a lot earlier than with the standard tune. They claim a 'max' increase of 33BHP, but the maximum BHP is only increased by 20BHP. It's like wattage of speakers, and comparing RMS with PMPO or standard watts ratings, it's not like for like.

Without seeing the graph, and understanding both the torque and power increases and where it gains power, it's hard to judge if ones better than another.

I'd say that a company like JE would supply power graphs if requested, and their 10% gain may well be the same as superchips/bluefins 20% gain, it's just how you measure it, and which value you write down.

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Also thinking about the new SD4 (if that's it's official name), this is going to be 194BHP.

I can't imagine that for a facelift, and only the auto, that they've made any other changes to gearbox/clutch/drive train etc.

Surely this means that the current auto can handle 194 BHP without worries.

Just a thought

Did LRmaker not make the comment re. the face lift that it was "the same lump" Hi Darling, I'll be home in 10 mins. If I'm not back, please read this message again...

I think Big Dave has got it about right The Freel2 JE tune was developed in Germany by JE Deutschland and is designed to be ultimately safe, even with long periods of autobhan cruising. At JE(UK) it was felt safer to err on the cautious side and adopt the German version of the tune rather than go for the "British Mark 1" version. Maybe it's a bit too conservative, but the Freel2 is no sports car or likely to be used as such. Big figures also apply to the cost of repairs as well as optimistic power outputs from "tuners"!