Hi. I was hoping someone may point me in the right direction. I have a 2007 Freelander2 (Diesel). It is a excellent machine, however of late it has began to smoke a little first thing in the morning. This is white smoke. It only lasts about 15 seconds then seems fine. This has been happeneing for a couple of weeks. It appears to be getting slightly worse, as this morning it lasted about 30 seconds and was a bit jittery whilst idling. I will be taking it for a service in the next couple of weeks anyway I just wanted to make sure it is not fatal, and also so I get an idea of the problem before I go to a garage and get raped for a new engine or something daft!.

White smoke on start up is usually unburnt diesel. It could be your glowplugs are not working properly if the smoke goes away when the engine is running.

If not glowplugs, you are looking at possible loss of compression on one cylinder which starts to get expensive. John
07 HSE Narvick Black
Land Rover Series One
Triumph Rocket 111 (sadly gone!)

Before any of us comment please can you answer the following
1/. Is it using any engine oil, if so is it using any more than say a year ago?
2/. Is it using any antifreeze coolant (it shouldn't use any).
3/. Does the engine run a little roughly for those first moments before settling down to an even idle speed.
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If its only item 3 you might have one or more duff heater glow plugs and the smoke is unburnt diesel.

Kind regards
Fred

Hi,

Thanks for the prompt reply. Answers to questions:

1/. It doesn't appear to use any oil at all nor has it ever.
2./ I am not sure abou the coolant. Its the same coolant that was in it when I bought it six months ago. I did not buy privately, and it was a Landrover bloke that I bought it off.
3./ It does run a little roughly for a few moments. I normally just sit on the drive for 30 seconds until it passes.

So hopefully its the heater glow plug then. I will now investigate if that is something I can do myself. Thanks very much for all your help.

With it running roughly for a few seconds on startup but with no loss of performance once under way, it is almost certainly unburnt fuel.

There are threads on here regarding changing the glowplugs and they are not the easiest to do.

http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic11567.html?highlight=glowplugs

If you search on the forum you will find two major posts detailing how to change them. For one of them I am the author.
I found them easy to change and made two long reach sockets. I have over 40 years of extensive home mechanicing so it was straightforward; if you don't have experience then it might be prudent to arrange for it to be done by a professional. if your garage is not LR perhaps you might print off both sets of instruction/how to and take these for discussion to get a sensible quote.

It makes sense to fit a new diesel filter whilst you have all in bits.
Regards
Fred 2010GS Auto ex Celeb, Santorini Black, 2011 facelift , spoiler, spats, mudflaps, LED footwell lamps, Witter detach,
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Rough running for the first 20 seconds or so is quite normal. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

I disagree, 20 seconds or so is too long.
Therefore mine and many others must be abnormal if a couple of seconds after starting it settles into a smooth tickover

Classic sign of not warmed up enough.
My freelander only on really, really cold days (-3/4 sort of area) will do it occasionally almost as if firing on 3 cylinders all lumpy and smoke then after about 5/10seconds it smoothes out and clears.

If it is happening to you on colder mornings, it is worth putting ignition on first without depressing the clutch wait 5 seconds or so, then dip the clutch and press the button again. This gives the glow plugs chance to warm up if they are getting a bit worn. Best bet is get new glow plugs fitted.

When it is all lumpy and smoking you are chucking diesel down the exhaust into the cat which kills them and if it was newer with a DPF, it will kill that too.

My Defender did it this weekend after being stood for 5 weeks and I only did the glow plugs once as I was in a hurry, but it then ran all lumpy and smokey longer than it would have taken to do 2 x glow plugs

Regards
Ben (GONE) FL2 2008 SE (manual) Santorini Black, the expensive one
(LEFT WITH) 300tdi Defender 90 the cold, reliable & sensible one

I got told at the weekend that;

black diesel smoke is unburnt fuel through overfuelling

white diesel smoke is unburnt fuel through lack of complete atomisation in the cylinder (or something similar!)

Basically if it's just for the first few seconds when starting it's ok (other than it looks worrying!)...when clap cold the engine is out of its operating range in regards to temperature. It does seem like one or a couple potentially glow plugs failing though.

If you start byt pressing the starter button to turn the ignition on, leave for a few seconds after the glow plug light has extinguished and then start, is it as bad? If the pplugs are on the way out then this will give them more chance to warm up before starting rather than using the automated procedure, and help diagnose  Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

Mine does this as well. Is this work covered by the £65 a month extended warranty ?

If they failed during the manufactures main 3 year warranty period I would expect them to be replaced.

I personally would of classed it as a service replaceable part , like any other serviceable part with a certain life expectancy.

It will be interesting to see if it is deemed a failed part under the terms of an extended warranty claim (failure due to manufactures defect etc).

Regards (GONE) FL2 2008 SE (manual) Santorini Black, the expensive one
(LEFT WITH) 300tdi Defender 90 the cold, reliable & sensible one

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Worth a try under cold start device, under fuel system if that is their description of glow plugs.
Regards (GONE) FL2 2008 SE (manual) Santorini Black, the expensive one
(LEFT WITH) 300tdi Defender 90 the cold, reliable & sensible one