The 'Which Reliability Survey' results have been published and the results are in all the papers and on the telly, basically Landrovers (in particular FL2) and jags are very unreliable coming near the bottom of the list

Nice one 'Which', Give the UK car industry a kick in the balls whilst times are hard why dont you???

Personally, my FL2 is highly reliable other than the knocking noise i had, loose drivers seat and the bodykit falling off....hmmmmm.... , biggest problem is the unreliability of the intelligence of the Land Rover Staff to deal with any problems!

Brand reliability
Manufacturer Reliability index Brand reliability
Honda 85.4%
Daihatsu 84.6%
Toyota 84.6%
Lexus 84.6%
Mazda 84.6%
Suzuki 84.6%
Mitsubishi 82.1%
Hyundai 82.1%
Subaru 82.1%
Porsche 82.1%
Mini 79.6%
Nissan 79.6%
Mercedes-Benz 79.6%
Skoda 79.6%
Ford 79.6%
BMW 79.6%
Chevrolet 79.6%
Kia 79.6%
Volvo 79.6%
Jaguar 79.6%
Seat 79.6%
Daewoo 79.6%
Proton 79.6%
Volkswagen 77.1%
Vauxhall 77.1%
Smart 77.1%
Citroen 77.1%
Audi 77.1%
Jeep 77.1%
Peugeot 74.6%
Saab 74.6%
Fiat 74.6%
MG 74.6%
Alfa Romeo 74.6%
Chrysler 74.6%
Rover 71%
Renault 70.8%
Land Rover 68.2%

So basically last then !

Pinky have you been filling out any surveys recently? 

Just got a email from my boss dad on this

Like i said surveys are normally carried out on a car produced between x & y dates as there is no point in asking somebody for a long term review when they have had their car for 4 days.

So i believe the FL2 early cars of the production line, in a car that was techically changed completely from the old FL1, you would expect a few teething problems along the line with a few cars, mine been one of them.

Where does the source of there info for this survey come from? Which readers, RAC/The AA, or Dealers themselves  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

4x4s reliability
4x4s Production date Reliability score
Volkswagen Tiguan 2008-present 94%
Nissan X-Trail 2007-present 92%
Toyota RAV4 2006-present 92%
BMW X3 2004-present 92%
Suzuki Grand Vitara 2005-present 92%
Lexus RX 2003-2009 90%
Honda CR-V 2007-present 86%
Kia Sorento 2003-present 84%
Hyundai Santa Fe 2006-present 82%
Volvo XC90 2002-present 81%
Land Rover Freelander 2 2006-present 80%
Land Rover Discovery 3 2004-2009 80%
Table notes
Sample sizes: Volkswagen Tiguan (37), Nissan X-Trail (61), Toyota RAV4 (120), BMW X3 (38), Suzuki Grand Vitara (30), Lexus RX (48), Honda CR-V (415), Kia Sorento (34), Hyundai Santa Fe (40), Volvo XC90 (47), Land Rover Freelander 2 (165), Land Rover Discovery 3 (48).

Is it me or doesn't this just show the FL2 is the most popular? 

I think a survey can be made to show whatever results you want it to.

Not surprised to see the top 10 loaded with Japs, but suspect the LR figures skewed by FL1 and FFRR electronics. 58 HSE, auto, lago grey, tints. Mine and my dogs Storm and Sky
TT Quattro, black. Ers.
AC Cobra rep in build. Ars.

how can this survey be realistic if the number of cars sampled are not the same? They might have been fortunate to sample the 3 (and only 3!!!) X3 drivers out there who like their cars!!

Anyway Honda CRV's are driven by grandads who rarely go over 30mph, tow nothing and wont even take it on a blade on grass so probably explains why they scored better!

As already asked - who has been asked to take part in the survey?

it was 38 X3's due to the bracket it made it into a smiley

but still 38 X3 over 168 FL2'S thats 22% more FL2's therefore 22% more chance of a niggley complaint Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

At the end of the day we know what our cars are like and we are pleased with them so it does not really matter what they say 07my Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Baltic Blue,Privacy Glass,Ebony black leather,Land rover detachable towbar,S/S Side bars,Climair wind deflectors,Bramble Rash,

npinks wrote:

it was 38 X3's due to the bracket it made it into a smiley

but still 38 X3 over 168 FL2'S thats 22% more FL2's therefore 22% more chance of a niggley complaint

i think you'll find its 442% more FL2s 

my case proves it self even better

My Maths tutor would be rolling in his grave (thats if his dead, it was a while ago ) Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Last edited by npinks on 24th Jul 2009 1:19 pm. Edited 1 time in total

How can we believe any of this when it is said that 65.74% of all statistics are fabriacted anyway  FL2 TD4 XS Santorini

and why are 34.265% of all forum members dyslexic?

either taht or tehy cannot tpye proprely on thier keybaords!!!

It seem to me that the figures show fl2 owners are the most likely of all 4x4 owners to fill in the survey form...nerds  At work
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Dyslexics of the world untie!! FL2 TD4 XS Santorini

I guess the survey is fair, Japs have nailed reliability, we (or rather Landrover) sadly haven't a clue! Had an RX8 for 2 years, no issues, first issue with my FL2 was after 2 months & took 3 visits over 2 weeks to diagnose never mind fix...nuff said! Still love the car but IMHO the survey represents the reality.