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Porky



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advice on drivability issues

hi there i am new to freelanders and i have a 2013 GS model with 2.2 diesel and autobox.
i know there are loads of previous topics on these sort of issue which are all baffling to me as i am unsure of the issue.

The best way i can describe this is :
the issue that's troubling me is that it is not a smooth/seamless ride on low to little throttle, if i have a lot throttle ie medium to hard acceleration is seem to pull well and shift seamlessly but on light throttle it seems to bog down as if no power in engine or i feel like its has the odd single misfire which diesels don't do or its a very jumpy gear change for example it really doesn't like the new 20 mph zone or 30mph really and some time if at 40 or 50 with very light throttle its the same for a moment as if it engine is bogging down or not reactive.

again it pulls really well under medium to heavy throttle/load

i cant tell if it is engine or in to high/low (ie wrong) gear

Post #440376 25th Mar 2024 11:13 am
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SYFL2



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Doesn't sound right have you tried driving in command shift mode and see if it's different?

Post #440377 25th Mar 2024 11:42 am
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jules



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Re: advice on drivability issues

Porky wrote:
hi there i am new to freelanders and i have a 2013 GS model with 2.2 diesel and autobox.
i know there are loads of previous topics on these sort of issue which are all baffling to me as i am unsure of the issue.

The best way i can describe this is :
the issue that's troubling me is that it is not a smooth/seamless ride on low to little throttle, if i have a lot throttle ie medium to hard acceleration is seem to pull well and shift seamlessly but on light throttle it seems to bog down as if no power in engine or i feel like its has the odd single misfire which diesels don't do or its a very jumpy gear change for example it really doesn't like the new 20 mph zone or 30mph really and some time if at 40 or 50 with very light throttle its the same for a moment as if it engine is bogging down or not reactive.

again it pulls really well under medium to heavy throttle/load

I cant tell if it is engine or in to high/low (ie wrong) gear


More information would help. eg mileage / service history.

For a start I'd change the ATF in the autobox - it can make a huge difference to the way it changes gear.

JLR dont change the ATF until 150K miles or 10 years by which time the autobox is often FUBAR and then you need a new gearbox.
Preventative maintenance is not a JLR strong point IMO.

I changed my ATF at 40K miles and it made gear changes noticeably smoother. Jules


Last edited by jules on 10th Sep 2024 9:16 pm. Edited 1 time in total

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Porky



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Hi My apologies im new to all this

milage is 54K its had regular services looking back but no notification of gearbox/diff oils being done/serviced !! only engine fluids.

it has had cambelt /water pump and done 2 years ago (only 1500 mile done since) along with engine fluids & flush

i have read on here about gearbox , front/rear diff & hadex fluids/filters etc worth doing and was thinking about sending it in for a full service including all those for peace of mind as car is new to me

but struggling on whether to go to Landover for this or my local garage whoi normally do my cars for the work

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jules



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Personally I wouldnt go to a LR main dealer - they will charge a lot for something that requires no specialist knowledge - eg changing ATF.

Look around for an independent LR garage Jules

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BossBob



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Whatever the badge on the bonnet says your Freelander isn’t a Land Rover. The engine, gearbox transmission and Haldex are all used by other manufacturers and the car was designed by Ford.

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Just a driver



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Don’t a lot of manufacturers share development costs and use the same parts with a different label/badge on it ?

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jules



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Yep - Look at VAG - Audi, Seat , VW, Skoda Jules

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jules



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BossBob wrote:
Whatever the badge on the bonnet says your Freelander isn’t a Land Rover. The engine, gearbox transmission and Haldex are all used by other manufacturers and the car was designed by Ford.


The FL2 PTU

 Jules

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IanMetro



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Porky wrote:
Hi My apologies im new to all this

milage is 54K its had regular services looking back but no notification of gearbox/diff oils being done/serviced !! only engine fluids.

it has had cambelt /water pump and done 2 years ago (only 1500 mile done since) along with engine fluids & flush

i have read on here about gearbox , front/rear diff & haldex fluids/filters etc worth doing and was thinking about sending it in for a full service including all those for peace of mind as car is new to me

but struggling on whether to go to Landover for this or my local garage who normally do my cars for the work


I think that having a full transmission check and oil/filter change would be a good idea as it would bring you peace of mind, and also cure what sounds like an autobox problem.
Choose a local garage that you can trust that deals with the haldex type 4x4 transmissions.

It may be worth your while contacting Bell Engineering who are good.
https://www.bellengineering.co.uk/fault-symptoms
https://www.freel2.com/forum/topic38850.html?highlight=bell

Going to a Main LR Dealer for a 10 year service (Transmission Oil Changes) will cost at least £1k and may not do internal filters.

I am sure Bell Engineering will if you contact them for advice and maintenance.

(please note that I am running my FL2 the 'expensive' way and have Main Dealer services, and pay for an Extended Warranty to take the risk out of Breakdowns and Hire Cars --- so far an new Diff, and maintenance of the Turbo Variable Vanes -- FOC--) FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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Porky



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baffled

hi replying to this thread again now as had a development which has baffled me.
in the end i did have all the fluids and filters changed which nicely improved mpg slightly but di not cure the drivability issues iv been having and also garage check for fault codes and there were none.

AND THEN last week i drove thru the most horrendous rain fall on my way to work I've seen in a long time wiper on max speed and still couldn't see and i think it probably the first time its seen rain whilst driving (it seen rain whilst still in carparks) and then after work when i started the car to drive home i thought the engine sounds smother and quieter (as window was down and sun had come out) and the drive home was like a new car ! smooth and easy to dive at the lower speeds .

now it been a week of driving and it still nice (probably jinked it now).

So basically driving it in very heavy rain has cured it "for Now" , IM BAFFELED

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BossBob



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That is simple. You’ve managed to complete a circuit using rain water that hasn’t dried out yet.

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IanMetro



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Some info on the Aisin Autobox.

Hard gearshifts can be caused by 'gunk' in the Solenoid Channels' which which provide the hydraulics that control the gear box. The SLT solenoid controls the pressure to the solenoids and is known to stick giving hard shifts. It is controlled by a Pulse Width signal from the Auto Control Module.

Also the gearbox will take it's time readapting to any changes in settings, components or driving style.

https://www.freel2.com/forum/topic32549.html?highlight=limp

Video of actual servicing of solenoids

 FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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