I think that JLR have a massive problem. It's expected that the low emission zone in central London will be extended to the M25 eventually and with other cities moving that way it will soon be difficult to own a diesel in an urban area. JLR's problem is that they haven't got a sensible petrol strategy. A DS with petrol engine has VED of £450/year for a start and eye watering prices above the diesel equivalent (didn't it used to be the other way round?). For a variety of reasons (oil dilution, balance shafts etc) I won't be buying another diesel and the few petrol DS's on approved used seem to be very low mileage demonstrators up i near or in the £40k bracket and I am not prepared to pay over the odds. In a year I might be in a Volvo as they seem to be better positioned than JLR. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

Petrol DS is almost same price as diesel auto, main difference is it has to be auto and 4wd. At work
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JLR have a massive push towards Hybrid coming (some already here obviously), they are a “little behind the curve” but then when have they not been?

JLR is a bit Titanic’al, (takes a while to change direction).........let’s just hope this one is unsinkable! Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

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dorsetfreelander wrote:

I think that JLR have a massive problem. It's expected that the low emission zone in central London will be extended to the M25 eventually and with other cities moving that way it will soon be difficult to own a diesel in an urban area. JLR's problem is that they haven't got a sensible petrol strategy. A DS with petrol engine has VED of £450/year for a start and eye watering prices above the diesel equivalent (didn't it used to be the other way round?). For a variety of reasons (oil dilution, balance shafts etc) I won't be buying another diesel and the few petrol DS's on approved used seem to be very low mileage demonstrators up i near or in the £40k bracket and I am not prepared to pay over the odds. In a year I might be in a Volvo as they seem to be better positioned than JLR.

Above......stupid idea.......what government would ever apply a fair and logical tax regime


The new VED is crazy, even our BMW i3 if we went out tomorrow and bought new (exactly the same) would cost us something like £320 per year as opposed to the £0 we pay now.......great encouragement for going EV  Regards

David

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Putting all of the tax on fuel has been discussed for decades and there are some very good good reasons for keeping a separate standing change (road tax) and an ongoing charge for use (fuel tax).

Boxbrownie wrote:

The new VED is crazy, even our BMW i3 if we went out tomorrow and bought new (exactly the same) would cost us something like £320 per year as opposed to the £0 we pay now.......great encouragement for going EV

chicken george wrote:

Petrol DS is almost same price as diesel auto, main difference is it has to be auto and 4wd.

IanMetro wrote:

Boxbrownie wrote:

The new VED is crazy, even our BMW i3 if we went out tomorrow and bought new (exactly the same) would cost us something like £320 per year as opposed to the £0 we pay now.......great encouragement for going EV

I would be interested to know what your impressions are about running a proper electric car like the BMW i3.

How does it compare with running a 'normal' engine car?

Absolutely lovely......although ours is the REX we have only ever used the REX on one very long late night journey we didn’t want to stop on, we only usually drive locally 5-30 miles 90% of the time and didn’t even bother with a home charging point, still using the supplied “granny charger” into a domestic socket (but it is plugged into a single supplied circuit from our annexe, which makes it nice and reliably safe with no other loads on the same circuit) for the past two years.

Some people say “ah but it takes hours to recharge, to which I reply it only really takes about 8 seconds......4 seconds to plug in arriving home and the same unplugging when we leave for somewhere the rest of the time we are in doors doing other things, not waiting for a charge .

The i3 is typical BMW interior quality, very well screwed together and feels solid and not being the usual BMW wrap around cabin (the i3 is very open and airy inside) is a lovely relaxing environment....we love it.

Not sure what we will replace it with eventually..... Regards

David

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Oh yes, sorry as compared to an ICE vehicle?

Amazingly better......almost silent powertrain, although with the drivers window open upon rapid accel you get a lovely electric whine/hum very 22nd century

And the relentless torque from standstill which doesn’t start to tail off until high speed (60+mph) is something that never ceases to amuse.

And I never miss the feeling of driving straight past the petrol station wondering what to latest tat is they are selling at the till  Regards

David

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I am sure that full EV will happen but for most people at the moment it seems to be either for a regular short commute or short trips or a specific A-B drive where you plan your stops. I was talking about this to a sales guy that I know and he thinks that it will be a long time before it is viable for his use. He travels up to 250 miles a day dropping in to see clients in his area with no real opportunity to charge up and difficult to ask a potential customer if "I can steal some of you electricity" while you talk to them. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

He cannot be giving each client much time........but for some users he is correct, EVs still have limitations.

Having said that he is on the cusp of a Tesla being just about fine for his use, it won’t be long before the range he requires is well within the capabilities of Some EVs.

He is better of using a tax cheating hybrid for now, although I would be surprised if he is “on the ball” he doesn’t use one already. Regards

David

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dorsetfreelander wrote:

I am sure that full EV will happen but for most people at the moment it seems to be either for a regular short commute or short trips or a specific A-B drive where you plan your stops. I was talking about this to a sales guy that I know and he thinks that it will be a long time before it is viable for his use. He travels up to 250 miles a day dropping in to see clients in his area with no real opportunity to charge up and difficult to ask a potential customer if "I can steal some of you electricity" while you talk to them.

Occupational health & safety, you need to have breaks, then charge the car. So his argument is BS!

England has more than enough charging points.
https://www.plugshare.com

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People can even drive around Australia.
https://www.teslaowners.org.au/round-aust-list
We could have easily done the Nullabor, Eyre Highway if we had an electric car.

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Gibb River Road is not viable unless you take a generator or speak to the numerous Grey Nomads who have huge solar setups with air conditioning & induction cooking. Their solar setups are way too small but I am sure they all would be willing to help simply from the aspect to give it a go! A bit of 240 volts from here & there! They are a really helpful bunch out there! If someone needed my tiny solar setup to charge something I would absolutely have no issues, up to 11.3 amps out of 120 watts!

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Our block of units did an electrical upgrade for a number of reasons including asbestos removal. We were one of the three out of four garage owners who installed 3 phase to the garage for an electric car. None of us have an electric car yet but we are getting ready! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

. More than enough in uk,, those that are around get ice cars parked in them for starters, the uk is full.

Fiist fights have occurred when hybrid drivers charge at points when full electrics are waiting their turn

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Lightwater wrote:

dorsetfreelander wrote:

I am sure that full EV will happen but for most people at the moment it seems to be either for a regular short commute or short trips or a specific A-B drive where you plan your stops. I was talking about this to a sales guy that I know and he thinks that it will be a long time before it is viable for his use. He travels up to 250 miles a day dropping in to see clients in his area with no real opportunity to charge up and difficult to ask a potential customer if "I can steal some of you electricity" while you talk to them.

Occupational health & safety, you need to have breaks, then charge the car. So his argument is BS!