I wonder....
They will "phase out" the heavy transport too?
They will make gasoline and/or electric engines on trucks, lorry, etc?
They will make gasoline and/or electric maritime ships too?
Because these are indeed polluting, not small cars...

There is another issue of what about CO2 emissions from the power stations but that's another story. However don't forget that by then we will have driverless trucks and boats and we can all stay at home and watch them trying to plug themselves into a power source.

I worked in the motor trade all my working life (now retired) the last 30 years were in the Bus industry. When I left the Hybrid thing was gaining momentum (We operated, Series and Parallel technology Vehicles and a few Plug ins) but seeing as at the time a good MPG for a double deck diesel was about 6-7 mpg and the diesel hybrid took it to 12 -13 MPG I think it's never going to get to the point in my lifetime when you will see full electric vehicles with an acceptable range that will replace oil burners. As already said the Battery technology isn't here yet, and what there is, is expensive and invariably subsidized by governments at the moment.

And then there are the Trains, Shipping, industry.......


Just remembered another thing, what about all the batteries that will need recycling and what can't be will go to land fill


Ian

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Blackburn, along with many towns used to have trolley buses, all electric, someone cocked up long ago.

I believe all electric buses are being introduced into Milton Keynes with inductive charging to be used.

We have an electric tram system near where I live. works perfectly apart from the accidents with other road traffic.

One guess who comes off worse every time

Edinburgh got its Tram system up and running last year but it cost so much that Lothian Region Buses worked out that for the cost of the Trams, everybody living in the city could have had free travel for the next 25 years

Half the route for double the price

They always look empty when I'm in Edinburgh.

The bus company I work for invest millions in green technology, they are buying some all electric buses for Inverness. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

The trams beat the Parliament contract by a mile

Edinburgh Trams!!

Just heard latest on news, 60 cyclists are suing council after falling off cycles causing injury, blaming design of tram rails. One person also claims he ruined £600 (yes six hundred) worth of clothing when he fell.!!!!!


You could fuel a FL2 Auto for some time for £600. All FL2's (3) Gone
2011 Mercedes C180 CGI Gone
FL2 GS Auto SD with heated leather, factory tints, alloy spare and a few other bits.

Can't see the government ever wholeheartedly supporting electric cars, as there's no obvious way to TAX the fuel. Fuel duty brings in an awful lot of income for HMG. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

They'd just up VAT on electricity (and gas, to be consistent) and make everyone pay. But PH-type EVs are a short-term solution anyway due to the looming crisis in electricity generating capacity. Giving people incentives to switch to electric when we know there are problems with future generating capacity is idiotic (and therefore to be expected from politicians)!

The only viable future technology currently available / in development would seem to be fuel cells.

On Wednesday judges in Britain’s highest court ordered the Department for the Environment to submit new air quality plans by the end of the year setting out radical ways of tackling pollution.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/sc...gn=DM14613 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

Probably the worst place for pollution is within the M25, but that is all the courts and Westminster are interested in. The rest of the country comes a distant second place to London...... apparently its grim ooop North

From my personal point of view, I would like to see the M25 turned into a giant wall around London, and then for the Thames barrier to remain open during high tides. Turn the whole area into one giant boating lake and we can all have fun then

"Many phenomena – wars, plagues, sudden audits – have been advanced as evidence for the hidden hand of Satan in the affairs of Man, but whenever students of demonology get together the M25 London orbital motorway is generally agreed to be among the top contenders for Exhibit A."
-Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman: Good Omens Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

Every form of transport produces pollution, even trains, trams and trolley buses, (the generation causes pollution) forget wind power, you can't have days when no public transport runs due no wind. The only way to avoid breaking the legal pollution limits is to juggle where and how the pollution is generated. Public transport should go mains electric, place as many power stations on the coast so as the prevailing wind blows pollution away ( the east coast will be the predominant coast for them) If and a big if, induction powered vehicles can be made cost effective, then most city commercial and public transport can be made electric. Hubs where heavy transport delivers goods for transfer to electric vehicles for city delivery. Allow VED to be changed on vehicles that update emissions, it should be fairly easy to conform to pollution limits in spot areas, just needs a bit of organisation, the levels can be predicted almost daily and about two days warning. These actions do mean employing people that think out of the box, and there are many, most are described as having learning difficulties but could do this work without breaking into a sweat. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.