piattj wrote:

It seems that this judgment doesn't attend to where the dosh will come from to pay for this

Decisions made by public sector people who are guaranteed a salary and can't understand how business works.

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strange first post to make , looks more laying bait for an argument when new members make comments like that  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

My understanding is that it only applies when overtime is compulsory - voluntary overtime would not be used. I also believe that it will not be back dated.

If I am correct then surely someone working compulsory overtime 52 weeks of the year should be paid the equivalent wage when taking a holiday.

Whilst we all sit behind our screens owning c £30 grand motors there are tens of thousands working in sweat shop conditions - and more shockingly hundreds/thousands of employers happy to let them. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

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When is overtime compulsory?

Years ago I worked as a service engineer, contract said "overtime will be worked as and when the Job requires it". The working time directive was brought in, and the only engineer who did not sign it was forced to leave weeks later.
I kid you not, but received an official warning for being 30 mins late for work, after working a 23 hour shift. Back to back 24 hour shifts were not uncommon - my longest was 3 & 1/2 days strait, just sleeping during lunch/tea breaks.

It was cheaper to employ 4 guys working 12 hour days (6/7 days a week), rather than 6 guys, with 6 vans, 6 holiday entitlements, 6 people to go off sick. Pay them all a fixed hourly rate and you can work them all night.
The system falls down if one does actually want a weeks holiday, then the 3 remaining guys have to work 16 hour days.
Would have been nice to get average overtime in that job.

Before you think it was a small backstreet outfit, there were over 400 employees.

I for one strongly believe that all overtime should be averaged out and included in holiday pay.
Backdating it without warning would be unfair to employers, but if they were given fair warning, and then some manage to drag it through the courts for a few years because it's cheaper than actually paying the employees, then by all means back-date it to the time of the first court case. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
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Well I am retired and I don't get time off, holiday pay or overtime from my pension provider and I can't even resign. Still it's steady I suppose.

My first job was in the Civil Service. Back then in days of yore there were two classes of employment, established and unestablished. Being established meant that the job was pensionable and you were virtually impossible to dismiss.

There is a story of a man going home to his wife and telling her he had been made established. His wife asked if this meant more money to which he said no. "But we're living in poverty now" she replied. "Yes, but thank heavens it's permanent" he said. GONE - '07 TD4 GS manual Zermatt Silver
LONG GONE - '55 Norton Dominator 99 SS cafe racer

My first job was advertised as having a "4 figure salary" Wow

I remember when I was a young teenager, the Copper living next door was considered rich as he was paid "£20 a week"  10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

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