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npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20092 |
Since the new RRS2 is been stolen off driveways within a week of purchase in some cases without the need of breaking in to get keys, then I would say yes it's possible
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4th Sep 2014 8:32 am |
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pab Member Since: 28 Aug 2012 Location: Now in Mid-Wales Posts: 2007 |
You need to read the paper which goes with the article (available for download from the authors' site - I seem to have misplaced the url, but can probably find it again if anyone wants it) to get the real picture. They're not actually claiming that one vehicle is more hackable than another, just that in the absence of any information on how its ECUs and electronics have been implemented there is the potential for hackability.
Nothing went wrong - the car just got a lot more complex, adding new features and new ECUs which can be attacked. Again, note that there are no claims that these components are vulnerable in practice, just that in the lack of knowledge of their implementation one cannot say that they are not. There is, of course, one very easy way to protect completely against such attacks. Buy a Defender Last edited by pab on 4th Sep 2014 8:48 am. Edited 1 time in total |
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4th Sep 2014 8:34 am |
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pab Member Since: 28 Aug 2012 Location: Now in Mid-Wales Posts: 2007 |
The paper Athelstan refers to deals with a specific type of attack - remote code execution - where the hacker gains remote access to the vehicle and succeeds in executing code within the car's network. It doesn't address attacks where the attacker has physical access to the car. I haven't read anything relating to the RRS attacks, so can't comment in detail, but it does seem odd (to put it mildly) that LR would allow that level of access via an OBD port without some kind of authentication! My experience with the FL2 is that the OBD port will only allow communication with the car whilst the ignition is on, which requires a valid key to be present in the dock. Not to have built a similar protection into the RRS seems bizarre! But, as I say, I don't have all the facts on that one. |
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4th Sep 2014 8:43 am |
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taztastic Member Since: 03 Feb 2011 Location: North West Posts: 8652 |
Don't forget the latest technology also has an app, 'Incontrol' which allows you to view your vehicle status from your smart phone, a readily accessible 'way in'.
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4th Sep 2014 8:52 am |
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pab Member Since: 28 Aug 2012 Location: Now in Mid-Wales Posts: 2007 |
Internet connectivity is, indeed, regarded as bringing a whole new dimension to remote hackability! |
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4th Sep 2014 9:04 am |
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npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20092 |
This is just one event
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4th Sep 2014 9:04 am |
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athelstan Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: Reality Posts: 2658 |
Pab
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4th Sep 2014 9:28 am |
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pab Member Since: 28 Aug 2012 Location: Now in Mid-Wales Posts: 2007 |
That is certainly true!
Many tried and tested solutions are already in widespread use elsewhere in the IT industry (firewalling, digital signature, sandboxing, etc.), it's 'simply' a matter of deploying them in the automotive context. And because these are just black boxes we don't know that they're not already in use (although one suspects not as widely as they ought to be!). So the solutions are out there, they just need to be used properly. |
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4th Sep 2014 9:47 am |
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athelstan Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: Reality Posts: 2658 |
Pab
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4th Sep 2014 9:56 am |
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pab Member Since: 28 Aug 2012 Location: Now in Mid-Wales Posts: 2007 |
And received, thank you. |
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4th Sep 2014 10:45 am |
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