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Aero_383



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Thats probably it then...I thought it was operable upto 30mph which is where my expectations are a too high then. Embarassed _________________
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Post #167288 14th Jan 2013 4:22 pm
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nicam



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Aero_383 wrote:
MartynB wrote:
And don't forget HDC is not only switch on use, if you feel you are decending a hill too slowly or quickly with HDC engaged you can use the cruise control buttons to adjust the HDC action, don't be afraid to use this it is very good once you get used to it


I have been out playing on some hills today, and I can't seem to increase or decrease speed using HDC. What am I doing wrong ?
1st gear, steep hill, GGS, HDC engaged and working, pressing CC button repeatedly and also tried pressing and holding - no speed increase. I know it should go up in very small increments but the speedo and I am sure there is no speed increase Confused
I'm sure it's a PICNIC error (problem in chair not in car) ...any thoughts ?


It could be that you are are a hill that is not steep enough to overcome the engine braking in 1st gear, so the HDC is not actually controlling the speed, the engine is. Try a clear, gentler hill but with the car in neutral (!!) and HDC on. It should roll off and then be held by the brakes, probably making a lot of noise, at the HDC set speed - which will now be adjustable. It does take a very steep hill to overcome engine braking in 1st.
Don`t do this for any distance as it works the brakes quite hard, unnecessarily. Don`t drive faster than your angel can fly!

Post #167922 18th Jan 2013 11:44 am
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Ooma



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Well, i've had a chance to test all your snow driving wisdom today, and it has faired well. here's my thoughts after trying it all out.

- glad I have winter tyres!
- Snow mode works well and rev reduction provides a smooth spin free acceleration
- HDC feels good, and I never knew you could adjust it, so that was good too (I know RTFM)
- Climbing hills was great, with a nice steady speed
- Braking (even with snow tyres) is obviously the most difficult area. Don't go too fast and brake softly works well, let the car do it with the engine does too. But winter tyres or no winter tyres you have to respect a big lump that needs slowing on slippery stuff. Snow braking pretty good, mush pretty good, icy clumpy mush ok if careful, but way better than the other loons on the road.
- I seemed far more stable than most on the road, so had to remember to give this flat bed lorry some room as he slid all over the place turning into hilly road turn offs!
- The BMW's stayed at home today.. good call chaps.
- Audi drivers didn't (im ex audi driver) - and were gradually deserting their cars !
- I was fairly comfortable with the cars ability in the snow, it's the others on the road that made me worried!! Four wheel drive doesn't stop loons hitting you Wink

Anyway.. thanks for all the responses.
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Post #167924 18th Jan 2013 12:04 pm
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apc67



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Thanks for the Hill Descent tip - I used HDC this morning to really good effect. GGS was not required as normal setting copes easily. The looks from other motorists as I drove past them in the outside lane was priceless......

Post #167926 18th Jan 2013 12:09 pm
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hutchingsp



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I was out in mine in snow for the first time today (Midlands so we had around 4 inches of the stuff by 11am this morning).

It was an interesting experience.

No issues with grip or traction that I could tell.

Long hills with a gradual incline are fun because instinct is to stay off the throttle but the auto box tends to mean you don't have the engine braking effect.

Braking is something you really need to think about simply because you have 2 tons to stop rather than 1

Nothing helps you when you're stuck in traffic because someone's stuck up front somewhere.

If I could take every other car and driver off the road I would have felt a lot safer.

Post #167956 18th Jan 2013 5:28 pm
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Ben Twillie



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The auto box gives you excellent engine braking. Just approach the top of the hill slowly, so you are in a low gear, and descend without touching the throttle and the box will hold the gear and not change up. You can still brake without it changing up. If you want to change down manually then select Command Shift and select the gear you want.

It's as flexible as the manual and brakes just as well.

Auto vs manual punch-up starts here!

Post #167959 18th Jan 2013 5:44 pm
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hutchingsp



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Interesting, I didn't tackle too many hills but that's how it felt, as if without hitting the brake the car would build up speed under its own momentum - I probably need to spend a bit more time getting used to it.

Post #167961 18th Jan 2013 5:47 pm
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Had a kind of strange experiance with mine today in the snow, I reckon its down to lack of experiance on my part as its the first time driving an FL2 in the snow. Half an inch of snow today at work, as I left work I went up the access road that bends as it goes over a bridge. Driving at about 10 mph and as I was going up the bridge the car skidded side ways. I took my foot of the gas and the car stopped. Then I set off back up the hill and it was fine. Then at home the side street was covered in only half inch of snow and as I turned into a side street the car skidded slightly as I put more or less full lock on. Again i was going less that 10 mph. So as i'm a complete novice i'd say its something for my self to watch out for. Tyres have all 4mm on them so maybe its time to change tyres? Black MY2013 SD4 GS Auto, Wood Company Armrest, Freel2 sticker.
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Post #167962 18th Jan 2013 6:00 pm
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Out today in the snow on Nokian Tyres

Just tried out my new set of Nokian tyres WR G2 Sport Utility 235/65 R17 108V XL BSW in the snow and forget the Conti's, Pirelli, Michelin these are the business, they give you total grip in ice/snow/water. Check out how they test these tyres on their website and you can see why these are so good. You can also run them all year round as well and they are slightly cheaper then some of the premiums mentioned and wear is ok on the tests. Got mine from Mytryes online delivered to local fitter within 3 working days from Germany. Before this only had Conti's fitted which cost more and only last 24k and frankly I got fed up with how useless they are in the winter ice even the cross contact was only marginally better. A tiny bit more road noise is the only compromise but now I have a freelander that can go anywhere in the conditions it was designed and I would say about 60% more grip then before.

Post #167963 18th Jan 2013 6:01 pm
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Stevie5tapes wrote:
Tyres have all 4mm on them so maybe its time to change tyres?


If you look at rules for driving in the Alps, All Season Tyres, such as Continental 4x4 Contacts must have a minimum tread depth of 4mm. On that basis i'd suggest you ought to be considering changing tyres.

Was out in a LR Experience Freelander today which had done only 2000 miles on a set of Continental Contact UHP. Absoulutely brilliant in the snow both on the off road tracks and also when going onto fresh snow covered grass. Didn't get stuck once and the only time we had any wheelspin was deliberate.

Then took my own Freelander home, done 24500 miles on Continental 4x4 Contacts, tread 4mm at the front and 5mm at the back. No problems going on the flat and uphill and no problems going downhill when i set it up properly. Probably need to look at changing tyres before too long and certainly before trip to Austria in late March

Post #167964 18th Jan 2013 6:10 pm
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Pedro



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tyres tyres tyres tyres

Had a shockingly difficult drive to work today which took twice as long as usual with numerous 2 wheel drive cars (with summer tyres no doubt) struggling up hills. We had 4 to 5 inches of snow here and my biggest worry was some prat sliding into me. I had to use HDC repeatedly and also did the whole 1 hour journey in snow mode and the FL2 was faultless (Although it did defy the laws of physics and auto wipe half a windscreen's worth of snow into my drivers footwell at the start ?!?!?!?!?!?). I am SO glad that i did an LRE a few years back as otherwise the HDC noises would have freaked me out !! My colleague also made it into work in his R reg disco although he did manage to fishtail himself into a 180 degree spin on the way - something to do with his brakes or his ' chinese ditchfinder' tyres me thinks !!!! The 'wisdom' is that a 4-wheel drive is worth NOTHING, other than 4 wheels spinning instead of 2, unless you have got the right tyres. Indeed, I was very much able to tour Germany in the snow many years ago in my 2 wheel rear drive Porsche because I had decent winter tyres. FL2 HSE Auto Galway Green
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Post #168000 18th Jan 2013 8:24 pm
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Aero_383



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Still waiting for a chance to test my wintrac 4's. Where is the blizzard I was promised this morning, the same blizzard that had the shelves in supermarkets stripped by panic buying idiots, and all local schools closing at lunch time because there might be "a massive dump" (their phrase not mine) according to the Met office.

We have had about 2mm ! Big Cry

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GJH0702



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No issues with snow in manual XS- just driving on sheet ice was the hard part especially braking or should I say sliding Embarassed
Don't think any of the settings would have helped just gave me a big scare especially when my wife said it shouldn't do that it's a 4x4 !!!!!!
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Post #168035 18th Jan 2013 10:49 pm
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WizzardPrang



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Ooma wrote:
Four wheel drive doesn't stop loons hitting you Wink


That is the one thing which puts me off taking the car out in the snow! I've lost count of the number of idiots I've seen slide helplessly into other cars, armfuls of lock and driven wheels spinning furiously. Rolling with laughter It's actually terrifying when they are headed your way.

This is my first winter with a Freelander, although I've experienced many previous snow seasons with RAV4s etc., I've never had problems driving in snow when the roads were empty. Unfortunately most of the time I've been stuck in queues of 2WD cars driven (& I use the adjective loosely) by morons. Rolling Eyes 2020 Defender D200 110S Pangea Green
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Ooma wrote:

- The BMW's stayed at home today.. good call chaps.


Not me. Wife went to work in her FL2 and I went in the 330D. I got rid of the terrible BMW run-flats ages ago and it has got winter boots on now. The 330D had no problem driving through 4-6" of snow, up hills and turning tight corners. Considering its got 300BHP & 620Nm of torque I think the winter tyres performed amazingly. With the OEM run flats I wouldnt have been able to get off our drive !
So to paraphrase something someone once said "there is no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate tyres" Laughing

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