Tragic loss of life in line of duty - I feel so sad for the families

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19635239

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Its a shame they was not aware the empty property was been occupied by that scum

if they had known they would not have sent 2 unarmed officers after a person who is known to have committed a firearms office previously

tragic waste of life, more reason to mandatory arm the police and bring back the death penalty

at least it sounds like he handed himself in, and i hope he has had a 'fall over' or 2 in the cells Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

the death penalty serves nothing and is no use when a miscarriage of justice is discovered. No life is worth taking.
Besides, once your dead, you're dead.

However, what should happen is scum who are sent to prison should have most of their 'rights' removed and actually given a hard time. No tv, no voting (as proposed), no options other than hard work and a miserable time.
Oh and life for murder should mean life not 10 years or less. That life sentence should make the prisoner regret what they did every day.
It's a sad state when a crime is comitted that the first priority is the rights of the guilty and not of the victim. It's all ar5e about t1t.

I guess we will have to disagree on that one

life imprisonment for murder, getting a hot meal 3 times a day, bearing in mind they have to offer 5 choices of meal to each prisoner at each meal time (according to Gordon Ramseys program last month) and the cost of keeping them in there is stupidly high.

If it wasn't murder, then hard time, for any crime is what they should get, but for murder its a long drop from a short rope, cardboard coffin and dumped into the incinerator, case closed job done Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

absolutely shocking, and I agree that prison is like a "holiday camp" to some people.

but in reality what is the solution ? bring back capital punishment for certain cases ?

Iain

You didn't read my message fully. I agree with you, prison shouldn't be a holiday camp.
It should make a prisoner regret what they did every day. It should be proper punishment.

However, I think state killing is well, killing and just not right. I'd rather bad people suffered for years rather than be despatched. Anyhoo, just my opinion.

Gilbert and Sullivan had it right - the punishment should fit the crime.

Fraud, stealing, expense account fiddling - fine and / or prison, depending on severity. If offender is in public service occupation, automatic loss of job and pension.

Violent crime - flogging. No need for prison, make them truly afraid of the consequence of being caught.

Rape - castration. As for violence, no need for prison if they're incapable of re-offending.

Murder - hanging.

In all cases offenders should be made to pay compensation to their victims.

Prison population would fall overnight, crime within weeks.

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Stooby, I did read it, but it's How I phrased my reply, I hate the fact the have it easy so agree with you

But, I think if hanging, or any other means (apart from drugs) was brought back, they would think twice about taking another's life, some will and that's a life saved as someone didn't die at the hands of some scum, obviously there will be some that doing time won't mean anything to them and continue regardless, but if death was an option to them once caught, then would they do the same crime? If so, one scum less, and no £50k bill a year for looking after them Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

I think we both agree on most things said.
My only problem with the death penalty
I have is that we had it before and people
Still murdered. We had flogging, hanging etc
And people still committed crime. Of course,
Life was cheaper back then.
Look at the states. The death penalty doesn't
Stop murder etc. I'm not sure if it has any
Affect at all. I don't know.
My biggest problem is what you do when
You find that you hanged someone and years
Later new evidence shows they were innocent.

Now, how about village stocks? For some crimes
We could have people put in public stocks.
All the food that gets thrown out by supermarkets
Could be used for throwing purposes.
I like that idea!

I know the problem with innocents been convicted and hung would always be a problem, no really answer for that

I doubt it woud ever happen though, the government would never give it the go ahead and bring it back, they'd rather pay to,keep them in prison for years instead Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Sounds good Stooby! But only for very minor offences.

Seriously, I really think that the argument about executing innocents is wholly overcome by the fact that many murderers go on to kill again, with our current punishment regime proving totally inadequate to deter them. At least everyone executed by the state has had the luxury of a fair trial. Victims of repeat offenders don't get that chance.

Castrating rapists and executing murderers is the one sure way to prevent re-offending. If our punishment regime only deters a percentage of offenders (and I think my suggestions would deter a LARGE percentage) then many who would otherwise be victims will not be so. Who knows, it might be you or your family that are spared.

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Death penalty doesn't work, serious crime and murder in countries that have it is higher.
The legal system being a joke doesnt help either, look at those three today getting awarded a considerable sum because they weren't offered rehabilitation training in prison.

Society in general is at fault, the guy who shot the officers today was wanted for gun crime and using grenades earlier in the year, the people around him must have known.
The vast majority of people are apathetic too, they don't vote, continually winge and expect everyone else to mop up the mess.

Sort out society, get people to have pride in what they have and stop dishing out endless hand outs would be a start.

It all seems a bit simple to me.

High unemployment, give em a job, bring back conscription
Commit crime, the victim sets the punishment
If you are sent to jail, you earn your kep or starve, it;s up to them.

Yes sure, anyone who commits a crime loses all human rights until they have paid their debt to society, so no vote, no tv, no phones, nothing but work or sleep, that will sort them, set them on road building, street cleaning or any public service to repay society for their despicable behavior.

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This is horrific and my thoughts go out to the family, friends and colleagues of the deceased.

I do have a story which highlights the difference between the British approach and the USA approach in a similar situation to this and it never fails to make me laugh.

A cop (can't remember which state), pulls a guy over and he is an illegal immigrant. The guy shoots the officer dead and shoots his police dog dead.

A statewide manhunt is launched and they find the guy. He runs away across fields and opens fire on the pursuing officers. The officers catch up with him and shoot him 68 times!

The media, including outraged civil liberties type campaigners, asked one officer why they had shot him 68 times. The officer simply replied "Because that's all the bullets we had".

AWESOME IMO!

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