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Have you had a new clutch/Dual Mass Flywheel in your FL2

Yes

28%

[23]

71%

[57]

Total Votes: 80

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dunkley201

Member Since: 09 Jul 2011
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 2739

2010 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Pegleg wrote:
A 30% failure is disturbing to say the least.

Just note that this poll is showing a 30% rate of those polling who are members of this forum. Forums are largely populated by owners who have experienced problems of one sort or another, or those who are mechanically minded or just interested. There will be many more out there who just don't "do" forums but may well have cars that are perfectly satisfactory - hence not members of a forum! I guess your 30% rate would drop considerably if those were included. My car, for instance, did 74k in its first 3 years as a leased company car. Service history (all LR) shows clutch is original (now at 81,500) Almost certainly its user was not a forum member (I bet he did a lot of motorway miles - hence clutch ok!) 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

30th Jan 2012 7:28 pm

s7gpt

Member Since: 21 May 2010
Location: Leeds
Posts: 315

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Sumatra Black

2007 manual touching 60k and on original clutch ( fingers crossed ) freelander 2 SE black and beige - now sold

30th Jan 2012 7:34 pm

Pegleg

Member Since: 15 Apr 2010
Location: Deep in mid Wales
Posts: 3114

2008 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Santorini Black

Dunkley,
Agreed.
But it does show there is a problem which need addressing.
No problem = 0% failure
Or as near as damn it. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

30th Jan 2012 7:36 pm

dunkley201

Member Since: 09 Jul 2011
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 2739

Agree with you in part, Pegleg. There do seem to be a lot of clutch failures. However, there is unlikely to be zero failure in any brand - especially when a DMF is involved. Additionally, as the Freely is likely to be used at more extreme ends of the envelope to that of your average family saloon there will be some more instances of failure. I'm not defending it, just trying to put it in perspective. NB. At one time I had a Pug 405 - that clutch was bulletproof! 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

30th Jan 2012 7:47 pm

Pegleg

Member Since: 15 Apr 2010
Location: Deep in mid Wales
Posts: 3114

Dunkley,
Totally understand what you are saying and partly agree.
But FL2 is marketed as a offroad 4x4 and thus should be able to withstand the extreme.
However, as most FL2's hardly venture offroad, i'd expect in such circumstances, the clutch to be 'bulletproof' as you put it.

I would also have expected a permament fix by now, which hasn't happened. It's rather short sighted and a bit of a fob-off to replace parts which have not been redesigned.
At least one VM (Nissen for eg) are offering a solid flywheel on some DMF powertrains where DMF's have failed. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

30th Jan 2012 8:07 pm

dunkley201

Member Since: 09 Jul 2011
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 2739

Agreed, I would expect a "ruggedised" clutch on a vehicled designed for offroad use, even if only occasional. Unfortunatley, the parts for the Freelander seem to have been sourced out of the Ford/Volvo/Pug/etc parts bin. 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

30th Jan 2012 8:12 pm

Pegleg

Member Since: 15 Apr 2010
Location: Deep in mid Wales
Posts: 3114

Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

30th Jan 2012 8:17 pm

mojo

Member Since: 06 Feb 2010
Location: Outta here.
Posts: 365

2010 Freelander 2 TD4_e S Manual Stornoway Grey

When we got our freely we took advantage of the scrappage scheme and got rid of a 15 or so year old Citroen zx diesel. It had done 145000 miles on the original clutch and was still being driven by me as my daily hack. Thought I was replacing it with a top quality product. My guess is if I'd kept the Citroen it would still be going and I'd be £20k better off.

31st Jan 2012 12:32 am

hinchy

Member Since: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Stockport
Posts: 779

2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Lux Auto Aintree Green

When you say the clutch is failing, is it the same part that's failing ie:the pressure plate burning out and is it same for the DMF is it always the same part that's failing or is each case different.

31st Jan 2012 7:57 am

Blitzer

Member Since: 12 Feb 2012
Location: N. Ireland
Posts: 122

s7gpt wrote:
2007 manual touching 60k and on original clutch ( fingers crossed )

2007 manual here too, just hit 65k, but also joined the failed clutch club.

Next step to find the "how to" thread so I can try and find what is knackered.

Pedal hit the floor, can manually pull it back up and down with no ressistance.

12th Feb 2012 10:09 pm

Pegleg

Member Since: 15 Apr 2010
Location: Deep in mid Wales
Posts: 3114

Blitzer wrote:
s7gpt wrote:
2007 manual touching 60k and on original clutch ( fingers crossed )

2007 manual here too, just hit 65k, but also joined the failed clutch club.

Next step to find the "how to" thread so I can try and find what is knackered.

Pedal hit the floor, can manually pull it back up and down with no ressistance.

Could well be the clutch slave cylinder which is mounted (rather stupidly) on the inside of the clutch bell housing. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

12th Feb 2012 10:40 pm

Blitzer

Member Since: 12 Feb 2012
Location: N. Ireland
Posts: 122

Pegleg wrote:
Blitzer wrote:
s7gpt wrote:
2007 manual touching 60k and on original clutch ( fingers crossed )

2007 manual here too, just hit 65k, but also joined the failed clutch club.

Next step to find the "how to" thread so I can try and find what is knackered.

Pedal hit the floor, can manually pull it back up and down with no ressistance.

Could well be the clutch slave cylinder which is mounted (rather stupidly) on the inside of the clutch bell housing.

From what I can find so far you sound spot on. I need to find a guide to doing the task now, my wallets too empty to share with a dealer.

12th Feb 2012 10:46 pm

Pegleg

Member Since: 15 Apr 2010
Location: Deep in mid Wales
Posts: 3114

Sorry to say it's not easy owd lad!
I did one on a R75 and replaced the clutch while it was apart. Took two of us diy lads a day and a half.
My dealer replaced clutch/dmf/slave cylinder on my FL2 same day. Warranty though. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

12th Feb 2012 10:53 pm

Blitzer

Member Since: 12 Feb 2012
Location: N. Ireland
Posts: 122

Pegleg wrote:
Sorry to say it's not easy owd lad!
I did one on a R75 and replaced the clutch while it was apart. Took two of us diy lads a day and a half.
My dealer replaced clutch/dmf/slave cylinder on my FL2 same day. Warranty though.

Time I have, money I aint

12th Feb 2012 11:01 pm

Pegleg

Member Since: 15 Apr 2010
Location: Deep in mid Wales
Posts: 3114

I've never even looked at how to diy clutch on FL2 so i'm afraid i can't help you there.
Wish i could.
Unfotunately, there are going to be a few FL2 members who will be in the same boat as you, possibly myself.
Which is why i'm trying to bring this to the attention of L/R. Dont think i'll get anywhere, but if you don't ask, you don't get.

It's possible that if you've been a good fellow with your car, ie dealer service record, you might get some contribution from L/R. Still b y expensive though. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

12th Feb 2012 11:09 pm

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