I don't off road now but earlier this year had to get home in severe winter weather and was very impressed with the PHEV and this was with no battery left having used them going earlier

https://vimeo.com/user49563917 Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

muddywheels wrote:

https://youtu.be/R5VobNcgRvc

While I was logged into PHEV forum I noticed this write up on someone's extended test drive in the latest 2019 model.
http://www.myoutlanderphev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3869

Forget driving in mud, and think of saving money driving to work! FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

muddywheels wrote:

I don't off road now but earlier this year had to get home in severe winter weather and was very impressed with the PHEV and this was with no battery left having used them going earlier

https://vimeo.com/user49563917

Just read the trailer thread and he says managed previously no problem and 50% battery during the video and others saying towing heavier caravans and fully loaded with no issues on steep hill starts even with empty batteries so I don't know what problem was

I've seen loads of similar videos of LRs failing too and consensus is always owner not using correctly or wrong tyres used - I experienced some scary behaviour first winter in RRS after fl2 and had to change tyres to drive anywhere in snow and ice that swmbos fl1 laughed at - Mitsy has winter tyres and drives better than the RRS did in winter which is my main concern along with minimal running costs - oh and reliability  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Yes - I use regeneration via paddles rather than brakes most of time which is brilliant on icy roads  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

muddywheels I do not agree with your interpretation of the Outlander PHEV Forum thread.

It discusses at some length the limitation of the PHEV transmission and the clip on page 5 shows a haldex-equipped Volvo XC70 pulling the trailer up the ramp reasonably easily.

The original poster concludes at this point

The Volvo XC70 also did spin the front wheels a little, but when reversing and having some speed (as i also did several times with my PHEV with only right front wheel spinning) ALL four Volvo wheels seemed to kick in and PULL the trailer out with ease.

Today i will contact Mitsubishi Sweden and ask for a written statement for the new towing limits (if they have changed officially or not).

Closing in on the best fishing period of the year (autumn northern pike fishing) i am worried that i will not dare to use my car as towing vehicle with the risk of getting stuck in the middle of nowhere with damp conditions autumn leaves and all sorts of muck making this so called off road vehicle come to a stand still.

Anyone here who thinks this problem can be solved with firmware tweaks in the near future? Or is it time to throw in the towel and buy a real off road towing car -perhaps a Volvo XC70...?


and my comment at the time on that PHEV forum is

Having looked again at the video, I wonder if the trailer nose weight is relieving the front wheels of traction (lack of weight) and therefore the remaining rear motor is just not strong enough to pull trailer.

The normal 4x4 shown pulling successfully has the advantage of a locked centre differential and therefore has full power (and torque)available to either axle (whichever has traction). If it had an auto gearbox and torque converter then it would be ideally suited to this task.

I do wonder if a little bit of slip in the rear wheels of the Outlander may have got the motor (and therefore the car) moving, as there must be electronics to stop damage to motor due to overcurrent when stalled.

another thought -- I do wonder if a couple of bags of sand on the bonnet may solve the problem, not very elegant I know but could make the axle loads more equal and allow the front motor to do its job

All systems have their limitations.

It should be noted that the later clips on page 7 are of an straight Diesel Outlander doing cross axle demos, but this is a different transmission system.

Interestingly towards the end their is a discusion on Australian trailer couplings which change the hitch load. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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From first post on thread

Quote:

Yesterday i was about to tow my boat and trailer out of the water which i have done several times before without any problems

Hi Muddy

As you seem like one of the forums resident PHEV experts do you have to go thru anything similar to the description in the link to refuel your Mitsubishi?

http://www.ovalnews.com/2018/08/is-the-gas...icles.html

An yes before you say it we know you don't fill up with Petrol that often so it might be difficult to remember


Back on the towing subject - I suspect as long as you don't plan to tow very often near the limit given by Mitsubishi or in hilly regions regularly then the PHEV will probably be fine. From my side if I get into the caravaning more the Freelander will likely be the better option for me for the time being, I still like the PHEV concept a lot though.
Maybe it's just the need to learn a different way to approach towing with a plug in hybrid.

My mate never towed with his, fairer to say it never really moved.

He now has poster in his garage, anything to cover over the screwholes where the cars charger was hung. Bad memories. At work
At home

"I can't always believe facts I read on the web" - Charles Dickens

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Smallmankey wrote:

Hi Muddy

As you seem like one of the forums resident PHEV experts do you have to go thru anything similar to the description in the link to refuel your Mitsubishi?

http://www.ovalnews.com/2018/08/is-the-gas...icles.html

I assume this is a joke

Refuelling mine is no different than refuelling the FL2 except you have to remember which side is electric and which side is petrol due to having 2 flaps and remember to pull lever nr door cill to pop flap before you get to pump

I've towed caravans for years- Landcruiser was my best tow vehicle but had issues with dealer and a fault so I didn't buy another. Tried towing with swmbos FL1 and nearly burnt out clutch on hill start and found it gutless. Never towed with FL2s or D2s. RRSs had the plenty of power when I towed twin axles but never felt stable at speed limit like the Landcruiser did

If I was still towing I probably wouldn't use the Mitsy PHEV as I prefer twin axles and would run 2 vehicles like we used to - possibly a DS or D4 but unlikely another LR after all my issues with later LR ownership  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Oh and you have to remember it's petrol not diesel  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Seems the LR PHEV refueling procedure is for real, its detailed on LRs own owners info site.

http://www.ownerinfo.landrover.com/documen...c/G2136817

That's ridiculous  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Interesting little review of the latest 2019 Outlander PHEV - more of the same but generally that little bit better it seems.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mitsu...-uk-review