dorsetfreelander wrote:

From Today's Financial Times

Higher taxes will be placed on new diesel vehicles in the UK in this month’s Budget, as the government tries to nudge drivers towards less polluting alternatives.

Ministers have been weighing whether to raise taxes to fund new air-quality initiatives or to find the cash through cuts elsewhere in the Budget since Michael Gove, the environment secretary, unveiled the government’s “Clean Air Strategy” in July.

Government aides said Philip Hammond, the chancellor, has decided that tax increases on diesel cars is the best option and will announce the move in the Budget on November 22. It is not yet clear whether he will increase VAT on diesel sales or choose to create a new levy.

I wonder what LandRover's strategy is going to be? I don't see many petrol SUVs around.

Largered wrote:

I come from a generation when fuel was 35p per GALLON !

So fuel is now 120p per Litre

Whatever the price of fuel ......... we will still buy it.

....... and some complain about it .....

If that was aimed at me, I wasn't complaining just stating how easy a target drivers are for all chancellors .

and until cars are powered by I will have to buy fuel whatever the price as nae buses nae trains and too many hills for a cycle.  If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.

As Jules signature says, "if it wasn't so bad it would be funny"

What really irks is that the push for diesel in the first place was made on bad science. Worse still, we all knew government figures were BS but apparently such common sense was never common in Whitehall, until now. And then it's some revelation by some ever so clever new research - REALLY?

Petrol cars produce far more CO2 (in the lab and the real world) - when did that suddenly not matter any more?

Friends of ours just sold their X3 diesel because his wife was convinced it would soon be worthless. ...... And bought a new car - I promise I know which will depreciate more in the next year, and it won't be the three year old diesel X3.

Nothing has changed yet if you already have a Diesel - and even a few pence on a litre will not offset the cost of chucking it in.

It's all hysteria. Although no one told JLR that on used prices of FL2 !!

I don't know why anyone is wasting their time trying to be logical about this.

I would suspect that the Government Finances are in a hole and it's our turn (Diesel Owners) to pay a bit more.

I will go electric one day, but I suspect it will be just in time for a future government to slap a levy on Vehicle Electric Supplies.

This will be necessary to pay for the future shortfall in Petrol & Diesel Taxes, as they are phased out. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

Tigger wrote:

Interestingly, what we are seeing on the FFRR site is that some people, who might have bought a relatively low CO2 output / sensible mpg diesel variant, now justifying ordering an insane 5.0 V8 supercharged petrol version!

I spoke to the owner of this RR in outback Australia, 5.0 V8, stuff the fuel costs!

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It is worth as least listening to a Land Rover V8, it is addictive. It's worth the fuel consumption! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

IanMetro wrote:

I don't know why anyone is wasting their time trying to be logical about this.

I would suspect that the Government Finances are in a hole and it's our turn (Diesel Owners) to pay a bit more.

I will go electric one day, but I suspect it will be just in time for a future government to slap a levy on Vehicle Electric Supplies.

This will be necessary to pay for the future shortfall in Petrol & Diesel Taxes, as they are phased out.

DirtyDuck wrote:

Petrol cars produce far more CO2 (in the lab and the real world) - when did that suddenly not matter any more?

Friends of ours just sold their X3 diesel because his wife was convinced it would soon be worthless. ...... And bought a new car - I promise I know which will depreciate more in the next year, and it won't be the three year old diesel X3.

IanMetro wrote:

I don't know why anyone is wasting their time trying to be logical about this.

I would suspect that the Government Finances are in a hole and it's our turn (Diesel Owners) to pay a bit more.

I will go electric one day, but I suspect it will be just in time for a future government to slap a levy on Vehicle Electric Supplies.

This will be necessary to pay for the future shortfall in Petrol & Diesel Taxes, as they are phased out.

I already have a Car Charging Point at home.
I got it a while ago when the government was supplying them via a grant.

It is fitted with it's own method of communication via the mobile phone system.
I think they will know every watt that is taken for a car.

As most of the incentives of electric car ownership where aimed at business users, I decided to stick with another Freelander. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

Lightwater wrote:

I spoke to the owner of this RR in outback Australia, 5.0 V8, stuff the fuel costs!

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It is worth as least listening to a Land Rover V8

When I said “insane”, it’s probably best to point out that I run a V8 RR myself (even if it is “only” a diesel!).

Love the noise a V8 makes!!

Was it not them that told us all too go Diesel a few years ago as the higher MPG was better for the environment? But now everybody went diesel it’s worse and we will pay more tax on them. Not a massive lover of conspiracies, however not a lover of coincidences either.

They were bought off by the fossil fuel industry. Australia subsidies our fossil fuel industry by over $5 billion a year in tax breaks, depreciation, subsidies & reduced mining royalty rate. Let alone the volume of raw materials that never gets onto the books to start with! We socialise environmental clean up costs of which a good portion of the 50,000 abandoned mines are fossil fuel related including old coal mines, some of which are on fire adding to green house gases. A good chunk of subsidies going into to diesel for the primary industry are in turn quietly syphoned off for non work related uses! ie diesel dual cab vehicles for the farm mostly being use to transport trail bikes for recreational use on holiday while towing a caravan etc! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

They got rid of our fossil fuels ( for the good of the planet ), we just import it instead now!!!

On another note, see Aston Martin saying Brexit will a catastrophe .Well you didn't say that a few short months ago whilst taking a Welsh Assembly grant to base yourselves here did you? If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.

My son is looking to change his 2010 Audi A5 convertible TDI and went to his local LR dealer yesterday to enquire about a used Evoque.
His trade in was only 7.5k tops...

He was looking at PCP on the Evoque which was 63 plate and they also quoted him on a Freelander HSE auto 63 plate......

the freelander came in at £100 more per month, as the dealer said the used value of the Freelander would be so low in 3 years time, even though the screen price was 4k less than the Evoque....

Dealers seem to making a killing from all this demonization of diesel, and if they load the taxes on us yet again we will see thousands of people who cant afford to run their diesel cars and cant afford to change them....
back to the days of abandoned burnt out cars and increased insurance premiums maybe ??

So logically we should be moving our diesels on as soon as possible whilst they still have some value? I can just hear the trade-in conversation with the dealer now "well a few years ago I would have given a good price for that sir, but now......"  3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE